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oko
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Posted : Jan 19, 2003 01:54
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hey all, hope someone here can help me on this, i think this is a hard one :
I'd like to have some tips for recording a piano, i'm recording through pre-amp, and with a condencer, but it never sounds really rich and fat...like in classical tunes or like...i donno' tori amos fuks...well,
hope you can help , if someone knows a link with examples/diagrams, of where should i place the mic, and how to compress it all, it would be great. thanks |
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O.zen
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Posted : Jan 19, 2003 02:02
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what kind of piano you want to record??
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oko
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Posted : Jan 19, 2003 02:10
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not a huge one,
the medium one...i don't know the name of it,
looks like a big wood brick...you know...
sorry, i'm new in pianos, still have no ideas about it's dictionary 
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oko
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Posted : Jan 19, 2003 13:34
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thanks,
that's not really my problem,
my main problem is where to place mics, and what compression to use |
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Yuli
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Posted : Jan 19, 2003 14:07
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About miking:
Miking is a really delicate issue, in this field there is much more to experience in miking then certain system or something that u learn... You should open the wooden lid on the top of your piano ( like u see on the TV when they play the open Grand ), and then u have few options:
1. to put the mic very close to the strings inside the body of the piano, then u will get quite accurate sound, lookig more as small room, also easy to get it distorted ( so beware ).
2. put the mike some 20 - 50 cm from the open top, and if u have 2 mics, put one on each side ( that u can do in no.1 as well ) - that is my favorite ( not a big specialist in pianos actually )
3. to create a large hall feeling or kinda chamber, you should use your listening skills and find the corner in the room that gets most of the feedback overtones / leftovers ( but I guess that just the closest corner to the piano will do - and place the mic high but not completely in the corner ( say at least some 20 cm into the room ) ---> this may surely proove itself as a total rubbish cuz it is something I never tried to do  only makes sence to me
EQing:
I don't advise to EQ the piano too much - it has a very fat and special sound as it is.. Definitely not to high cut it - this way u will loose all the feel and the trembling in the air.. Check tho that the low mid isn't over emphasised ( Piano's tend to get this way )
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pavi
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Posted : Jan 19, 2003 14:12
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Piano is a hard one... you need a good mic, piano, room and gear for a great result, and its a combination of trying out different methods till you get what you want. Also varying polar patterns on the mics can make a world of difference. Its a lot of fun!
Check these articles on the science of piano recording:
http://www.sospubs.co.uk/sos/may99/articles/recpiano.htm
(includes the line: For the ultimate in isolation, do as TORI AMOS does in her concert tours. Use a piano equipped with MIDI to drive a decent sound module -- the result is total isolation, which is perfectly suitable for live sound when the full band is playing. For the quieter numbers, revert to the mics over the piano.)
AND
http://www.sospubs.co.uk/sos/1994_articles/oct94/pianomiking.html
And compression I'd use as little as possible in recording, add it at the mixing stage later.
I hope that helps! 
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oko
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Posted : Jan 19, 2003 14:18
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thank you all,
you are the best
i'll go make some tests with it now
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Trip-
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Posted : Jan 19, 2003 21:52
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of course the best piano to record is a wing piano ...
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jacky
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Posted : Jan 20, 2003 23:24
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just one comment for yuli's words- all you said is the correct way to record a piano, but not with a condencer!!! but with a regular mic. also there is a big difference in wich option oko should choose by the range of the mic ( omni, radical etc..)
that's it. boom. |
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Pavel
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