seperation between producers and engineers

On 2005-08-10 18:44, Surrender wrote:
something ive been thinking about lately and maybe some of you have some insight on this...
is the seperation between artist/producer and the engineers who master the tracks so clear in other genre's as it is in ours? i mean, most of the artists in our scene do not know how to properly master a track and leave it to the labels to find a proffessional eng. (usually/hopefully). they are infact so sure their work is not as good as the mastered cd that they often will play the cd version once they get it.
is this a common thing in the music business? or are we a scene of mostly amateurs?
i thought about this as a possible answer because i dont know many other genres where people set up home studios that consist of just a computer, monitor and some vst's- but then again i might be really wrong and that's how it is throughout. also its fair to mention that some artists make better post production and mastering then the actual labels they send their music to. some are also audio eng. themselves.... this to me is the ideal situation. maybe it also has to do with the underground nature of the movement ('til recently?) where you cannot expect this from a young scene..
would love for some of you to share your thoughts.

On 2005-08-11 13:19, Morax wrote:

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On 2005-08-10 19:38, Willy Wonka wrote: Ocelot has said i'm moron and psytrance scene is very professional, even better than house scene! SO basically from his words you can understand most of human are brainwashed when it comes to music quality! When Ocelot is real master of art!

the psytrance scene is more professional from the house scene.. it was a good one hehe


---Dont twist my words dude.
psytrance music is more difficult to produce or engineer than house music. there are more sounds moving at a higher BPM- there is no trite "vintage" vantage point you can just coast and chill out at- (hey lets just drop a funky guitar riff here from the sample cd)
there are more sample cds and Acid loop kits for house music. while this is not the case as much as it USED to be (now that people are producing PSY everywhere) i found the general level of engineering to be higher in psy and this is my experience as a producer working in many genres since 13+ years.
I think you are correct that many people are happy to sit home and assemble music from preset realities. You can hear it in their music... It sounds like presets.
I dont think this is the case with "90%" of the artists, nor is this limited to psy.
This is the modern way- go to your local music shop and buy Acid and some sample cds and a virus and make "xyz" genre of electronic music. Do you think this is what I am doing for example, the last 13 years?
I will be happy to educate you in person on how to make any kind of sound... should i meet you... meanwhile you should probably avoid insulting someone who may visit you in your dreams:)
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however, imo, 90% of the "artists" (in the psytrance scene) dont know almost anything about engeneering and the funny part,.. that they dont have much connection with art, but they do have some others very big skills.. to move between presets, to download samples, to rip sounds from other releases.

well, i think that in electronic music such as house, trance, techno, break-beat..etc.. the "info" of the music is much more into the quality and the mix, than in classical music or acoustic geners.

and... the artists must know at least how to get a descent sound mix quality.
the mastering engeneer should tweak the music just a little bit and give it the final touch.

On 2006-07-30 15:09, ocelot wrote:

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On 2005-08-11 13:19, Morax wrote: Quote: On 2005-08-10 19:38, Willy Wonka wrote: Ocelot has said i'm moron and psytrance scene is very professional, even better than house scene! SO basically from his words you can understand most of human are brainwashed when it comes to music quality! When Ocelot is real master of art! the psytrance scene is more professional from the house scene.. it was a good one hehe ---Dont twist my words dude. psytrance music is more difficult to produce or engineer than house music. there are more sounds moving at a higher BPM- there is no trite "vintage" vantage point you can just coast and chill out at- (hey lets just drop a funky guitar riff here from the sample cd) there are more sample cds and Acid loop kits for house music. while this is not the case as much as it USED to be (now that people are producing PSY everywhere) i found the general level of engineering to be higher in psy and this is my experience as a producer working in many genres since 13+ years. I think you are correct that many people are happy to sit home and assemble music from preset realities. You can hear it in their music... It sounds like presets. I dont think this is the case with "90%" of the artists, nor is this limited to psy. This is the modern way- go to your local music shop and buy Acid and some sample cds and a virus and make "xyz" genre of electronic music. Do you think this is what I am doing for example, the last 13 years? I will be happy to educate you in person on how to make any kind of sound... should i meet you... meanwhile you should probably avoid insulting someone who may visit you in your dreams:) ---------------------------------- however, imo, 90% of the "artists" (in the psytrance scene) dont know almost anything about engeneering and the funny part,.. that they dont have much connection with art, but they do have some others very big skills.. to move between presets, to download samples, to rip sounds from other releases. well, i think that in electronic music such as house, trance, techno, break-beat..etc.. the "info" of the music is much more into the quality and the mix, than in classical music or acoustic geners. and... the artists must know at least how to get a descent sound mix quality. the mastering engeneer should tweak the music just a little bit and give it the final touch.