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Martian Arts
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Posted : Apr 25, 2009 11:22:09
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| Separation Mastering - The Technique
Separation Mastering allows us to reconstruct your mixdown using the Separations - to enhance separate elements - without compromising other elements within your mix! It's more precise than applying traditional program equalizers and compressors to a complex locked-down 2-channel waveform. Separations do what multiband compressors DREAM they could do!
Separations give you the flexibility to open up the sound and improve the transients and dimension. Each layer can be made to have more articulation and musicality than a standard stereo format. We listen to your 2-track mix and A/B compare it with your Separations to ensure that the intentions of your original mix are honored. We use non-destructive, totally recallable mastering enhancements to make an amazing - practically transformed final master for you.
Separations are better because they:
• Eliminate the need for alternate mixes - gives you more creative control
• Produce a more musically pleasing, more transparent 3-D sound
• Restore elements that can be lost when "slamming" levels are desired
• Resolves mixing debates, eases studio deadlines and creative burnout
• Practically eliminates compromises associated with traditional mastering
• Maximizes the benefits of ideal acoustics and expert mastering engineering
• Can give you the sound of analog summing in the mastering room |
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taken of here: http://www.audiovalve.org/mastering.html
Opinions from people in the field? I can see why its better to get things in that format in the mastering studio, as they will have control over the final mix, but can you really retain clarity and achieve a louder acoustic level than with the conventional mastering process?
The newest release on Ektoplazm http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/touch-samadhi-001/ is proper loud to be honest...but is it a case of the separation mastering process?
 
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 25, 2009 16:19
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i m not sure to understand what they call separation mastering,is it mastering with stems? sound like they just find a new hyped name to attract some clients, if it s that it give a lot more options for the ME, specially with bad mixs. |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Apr 25, 2009 16:36
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Posted : Apr 25, 2009 17:09
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So am I right in thinking that this is just giving the mastering engineer the opportunity to sort out fucked up mixes before he goes into the mastering process?
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Kane
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Posted : Apr 25, 2009 17:12
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Totally unnecessary for electronic music imo. I think I would really even be uncomfortable having that done..I wouldn't consider the track ready for mastering if the sound of the individual parts wasn't sounding right to my ears. I think a lot of artists would benefit from being able to make a completely finalized track instead of having to do stuff like this. Instead of giving the ME more options, give yourself infinite options.
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Posted : Apr 25, 2009 17:16
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 25, 2009 17:20
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imo even good mix could benefit from it (depends how the ME is used to work ),but to sort out bad mix i m not sure... bad mixs shouldn t be accepted for mastering ,at least i won t when i begin mastering but ll give feed back to get the mix better
and i agree with what Kane said |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Apr 25, 2009 17:59
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On 2009-04-25 17:20, PoM wrote:
bad mixs shouldn t be accepted for mastering ,at least i won t when i begin mastering but ll give feed back to get the mix better
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Trust me, you will  Like for instance if you get the opportunity to master an unreleased old-school album like the Crop Circles album that Tim Schulz did, or (like me) get asked master a V/A for a really well-respected label but find that almost every track is out of spec in some serious way. I agree with you in theory, and for some projects I have definitely discussed new mixes with the artist, but when it's a case of a rare opportunity, or putting food on the table, compromises must be made sometimes Anyway, I quite enjoy rescue jobs, they can be a lot of fun.
Stem mastering can be of use in any genre.
"The percussion sounds fantastic but there's way too much sibilance on the vocal"
"Gah, kick's too loud, bassline's too quiet!"
etc etc.
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shachar
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Posted : Apr 25, 2009 18:36
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it is not mastering separation but a summing mix of 8 channels instead of mastering the stereo master out they speak about mixing groups of parts like Drums or Synths, vocals, etc..
this way you can achieve better results but if you don't have the project from the artist it can not be done.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Apr 25, 2009 18:41
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 25, 2009 19:46
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On 2009-04-25 17:59, Colin OOOD wrote:
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On 2009-04-25 17:20, PoM wrote:
bad mixs shouldn t be accepted for mastering ,at least i won t when i begin mastering but ll give feed back to get the mix better
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Trust me, you will Like for instance if you get the opportunity to master an unreleased old-school album like the Crop Circles album that Tim Schulz did, or (like me) get asked master a V/A for a really well-respected label but find that almost every track is out of spec in some serious way. I agree with you in theory, and for some projects I have definitely discussed new mixes with the artist, but when it's a case of a rare opportunity, or putting food on the table, compromises must be made sometimes Anyway, I quite enjoy rescue jobs, they can be a lot of fun.
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well Colin you picked some good examples, i agree with you but i m not intrested to master some dark va that sound like shit for example,it s not the way i ll get more clients and get repsected for my work( expect if i do some miracle maybe but i doubt it) |
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ThiagoNAKA
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Posted : Apr 25, 2009 19:47
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Maybe the way they advertise this process is too hyped... But I would like to have my track "mastered with 8 stems".
Iīve talked with a well known psy mastering engineer, and he offers this kind of service. Althouthg he said it with others words: "I can also mix it for u, if u send me the stems."
I trust the guy, so Iīm sure he will not fu** my mix. So I donīt think itīs a bad service...
Itīs better if u know the engineer, and also, the engineer know what sound u want. Thatīs the case for me.
And Iīm 100% sure that if Colin offers this kind of service for free here, there will be tons of pages asking for this! 
Btw Colin, donīt u ever been asked to do this? I donīt see this like "my mix sucks, so I need a guy for mixing it."
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Apr 25, 2009 22:18
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Yeah I've talked about it with a couple of people but so far I've never agreed to do it as for me the mix has always been something I'd rather the artist took care of - I don't want the responsiility!  But it would be interesting to try, because I can see how it would have the potential to drastically improve the final result (depending on the track's actual production), so if the right project came up then sure, I'd be up for giving it a go. If lots of people wanted me to do it though then it is something I would have to consider charging for.
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ThiagoNAKA
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Posted : Apr 26, 2009 21:03
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You are right about the responsability Colin!
Thatīs why, imho, this process needs a good comunication.
If u use this process on my next releases I will update here...
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Elad
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Posted : Apr 27, 2009 02:41
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hey colin , try to offer that.. why not?
if you can mix the track for extra buck , i reken its worth it and will make the hole scene good upgrade. in commercial house and techno they all get pro-mix too! obviously trance suffer from lack of quality sometimes.. i guess it got to do alot with the extra buck..
i dont mind give that a go , 4-8 groups , might charge tiny bit more for it but sure is worth it, if your mix aint the best i might improve it.
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