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separate subbass & bass tracks?
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bukboy
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Posted : Feb 7, 2006 10:42
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How many of u doods use the same instrument for all ur basses?
If u use different patches then how do they differ?
What exactly characterises a subbass "melody"/score/line in terms of rhythm & pitch?
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Posted : Feb 7, 2006 14:31
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Feb 7, 2006 15:00
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I use a new patch for every new track, maybe with different subbass, bass and resonance basslines making up one bass. There are lots of ways of building the kick&bass foundation of your tracks, but most producers do the same. I dare to say that if you come up with a new and groovy way of doing kick and bass you will be the next person who everybody will try to copy.
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Freeflow
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Posted : Feb 7, 2006 15:14
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i had to edit this post, cause first i didnt really understand you.. now its all clear 
sure layering bass can be nice, but for psytrance i dont do that often, maybe i should.. for some other kind of music i have been doing that... once when we recorded 3 different basses. one line-in and one when recording the bass amp, and one when recording some ambient mic.. i cant really remember that last, if it was a ambient mic or a totaly different mic..
i mixed all three of these basses and it was a good combination....
now i understand more what you mean.. hehe i had to think abit..
i dont think it matters what the subbass grooves with, as long as its sounds good...
i havent been investigating this so much..
but isnt it usually a by-product of the kick and bass, and also the low tone percs? also some leads have some subbass going on... |
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bukboy
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Posted : Feb 8, 2006 08:41
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thanks doods, but I realise I have expressed myself very badly indeed.
My question is, do u guys use one instrument as a bass in one song, or more instruments doing different bass/subbass lines.
in DnB apparently a subbass line is a separate track. My confusion is over whether the subbass line is the rolling 16ths bass bit that is low down in most songs(in psytrance). i.e.
kssb kssb ksbb ksbb (or something)
or even just
ksss ksss ksss ksss
k = kick
s = subbass
b = bass
where the bass is an octave or two higher than the subbass.
Im always hearing this in songs & am curious if the bass/subbass r separate instruments. Beatnik says he uses one instrument & eq's that effect in. Still he gave reason no reason Y my perception of it should b wrong, just more work 2 get them working 2gethr.
So Thats what Im asking. is my way of looking @ subbass/bass lines as being on different tracks very different from what u artists do. |
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bukboy
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Posted : Feb 8, 2006 08:43
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Boobytrip - so do u actually call "the subbass" something that is a separate line/track which works with "the bass"? |
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Feb 8, 2006 10:33
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You could do it this way (different tracks), but i think most psytrance is made with just one bass-synth, pretty much like in 'THE Bassline Tutorial' by Mike A, somewhere in the basslines thread. I don't think it's wrong to use more than one bassline, imho it can yield some really interesting results and i would love to hear more different approaches to the kick&bass story. Listen to the track 'Plop' by Vaishiyas for example: great grooving bassline, with different timbres. More tracks like that one please
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bukboy
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Posted : Feb 8, 2006 11:15
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Dudes can I have a vote on what subbass means. & possibly a name for what I want 2 mean it as?
I want 2 define a "subbass freq" as a freq below 60Hz.
& a "subbass line" as a really low bassline, which generates primarily subbass freqs but also some higher harmonics for interest.
Or I want 2 define myself as a moron.
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Freeflow
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Posted : Feb 8, 2006 13:58
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bukboy - i see what you mean..
like you say for DnB its a total different approach,
lets just take a psytrance scenario, lets say you have a very light baseline, something above 60hz, and you want some sub in it but you will ruin the feel of it if you lower the notes of the baseline, in this case you could make a second baseline which only works in the sub region, or you could use a tone generator and dial in the hz you want and play it where it sounds good... the trick is to tune it well and dont overdo it. easier said than done...
now days people equalize baseline to get some more meat... but as the rule is to cut more than boost, a subbass layer would make sense..
Eq is not always the answer to a deep clean tone.
anyway im not sure where the subbass starts, but i would say 50hz and down...
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bukboy
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Posted : Feb 9, 2006 08:40
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thanks dudes.
I think In the end all that Im arguing about is the definition of words, & accepted conventions as 2 what exactly they mean. So dont take me 2 seriously. irrespectively I understand what the norm of basslines is, A notch eq 2 remove the region between the lower basses & the higher basses.
& I thought that psytrance basslines were made in the way I described. Thanks all for answering questions.
One more question. the range of human hearing is 20Hz - 20Khz, & people lose their ability 2 hear high pitches over time, but not so much lower pitches, Y do people say subbass is not heard? on good earphones u will hear it all the way down to 20 if its loud enuf.
Subbass is heard coz its in audible range. if u said subbass was @ 10Hz like an earthquake rumble then indeed I would say u cant hear it.(people have evolved that way coz alot of plate tectonic movement rumble is occuring all the time) but 20 hz is audible.
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