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Posted : May 11, 2012 03:10
i would like to share some music that i enjoy with you , since i feel it is relevant to this topic , it is not trance , not even electronica , but the notation in these songs , to me , sounds very dark and twisted.. almost like something is terribly wrong ,
for a while iv'e been trying to figure out the scale/progression of these songs , i think this kind of notes would be great for dark psy.. i think chromatic scales are being used , but i also think it goes deeper then just playing one semitone intervals rapidly..
is anyone here familiar with these scales/progressions?
any tips or links to help understand this style?
i also had the thought that maybe the brass instruments are a big part of it since they can bend notes in all sorts of weird ways? but then if that's it , probably you can imitate this feature with vst's ,
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Posted : May 12, 2012 00:19
you dont need to know any scale for make dark psy/full power. scales are needed for melody not for fx's. based music. do like Makus wrote, same note on different octaves.
btw i like 'classic' E (harmonic) minor scale for dark music, one of my favourite tracks based on this scale:
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Posted : May 12, 2012 03:19
I dont think on crapy glitchy dark,Im talking about dark with alots of pads and other atmosferes and reach with percussions...I think the scale is very importent for this.
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Posted : May 13, 2012 11:18
hey dude, seriously trying not to offend you in any kind of way. but pls do us the favour and learn some about music theory and compostion in general and think about asking that question again.....
to give a slight hint, there are tons of ways you could start from and i just want to mention that there has never been, is not and will never be any f+.*n scale for any style or any type of genre. not for darkpsy, not for fullon/prog/forest/suomi/goa/acidtrance/electro/classic/jazz ...... think about yourself.
i mean cmon, what u think, ppl put up their synth, play a special darkpsyscale and the crowd will go "wiiiIIIIIiiiooUUUHH"?
i can hardly calm, cause this is asked so often and was discussed for like thousand of a hell of times. and if one just trys to get into it one will realise during the first few hours reading exactly what i told you above. dont be that lazy if you want music to be your love..... this is just not looking like love. water the garden you entered or it will dry out. you´ll benefit if you go for the water yourself and ask for water when it´s gone
to keep ontopic i will give you another hint.
particular tone -> hz -> beats per second
bpm you´re working on -> beats per minute
you should easily recognize something there. so just to give one of a thousands of starting points. pick up the note as your key if you like and play around..... sure this is some very theoretical way to go. i quite dont get way you didnt test it yourself. put that desired bpm rate and hit all the keys in all those octaves and listen which you prefer.... i mean its not like there are billions of keys you had to hit. while those few minutes doin that you also should´ve been recognizing that mostly any time you start again at c, it sounds the same like c before, just some higher.....
you´d learn a lot already while doin anything you dont even have a clue about. asking kind of that question here, i tell you honestly....will lead you to nowhere. not offending, just to telling you the truth even if it seems opinion so far
this may have sounded some harsh, but i rather wanted to leave some true words instead of another ironic comment ^^
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Posted : May 13, 2012 18:09
OT: it's nothing. recently i came across a comment, where someone complained about the tutorials are text and arent movies. yet no one has time to read it.
in tutorials era, people have become that lazy, that they wanted to learn to do the best-selling hits in 15 minutes. people have probably completely lost satisfaction of making music and learning new things (by themselves)
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Posted : May 13, 2012 19:59
i would say it's good to know basic music theory and scales even if you are planing on not using them , "to break the rules like a boss , you need to know the rules."
so i agree with mandari in a sense that every producer should spend some time learning the basics of that..
and also , i'd agree that in some tracks/sections , keys and progressions are not needed , e.g. if you are going for a mechanical computer sounds maybe use the same notes in all octaves & noise processing.
but to me a good track has many good concepts in it , it should have dissonant and harmonic sections... so basiclly i say why limit yourself to one approach ?
and one last thing about scales , they all have the potential to sound sad , happy , dark & a many other moods , it has a lot to the with context{progression}
so there isn't one specific scale to evoke any emotion ,best is learn as many as you can and choose what works for you...
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Posted : May 15, 2012 14:51
well, one cant talk about necessity here, because it all depends on what you´re after for.
there is necessity if you want to DELIBERATELY control emotion of the audience. no other way, asuring you a lot to learn there but if you master it, you´ll may be the first making the floor really shit their pants ^^
i dont agree about the "any scale can release any emotion" thingy..... cause it´s just not like that and depends NOT on the progression. why should there be that many scales if they´d just release all the same, only need to be shuffled in any kinda way? no sense there... music production and any part of it in general is NEVER just about one thing. its about the alltogether of all those tiny pieces one puzzles together. and which pieces you pick up and how the puzzle will look/sound like at the end and how complex and beautiful it will be is comletely up to you....
an real artist is always on the hunt for pieces not infront of you.
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Posted : May 28, 2012 17:10
I honestly think there is no such scale for darkpsy. For psy in general, you're pretty much free to do anything you want. For example, I'm using enigmatic on a track right now, which isn't very common in darkpsy (at least to me) and I can get a real groovy dark feel with it.
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Posted : May 29, 2012 22:05
of course there are chords, progressions, intervals and scales that are more suited to certain genres, to say otherwise is foolish!
and so is asking for a darkpsy scale..
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Posted : May 30, 2012 16:16
Meybe there not "dark psy scale" but there are scales whose people use to produce dark psy to add that dark and scary feeling.
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