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Sat Nov 22 NYC - KARASH and HELIOS - 28thday and Psybotik present CONTRACOSMOS
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Trick
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 03:02
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hello
orgs ???
anyone there....
how long is karash playing for??
whats his set time???
details plzzz...
i just saw youtube videos of his set in cali
fucking bangingggg
this is true pyschedeliccc
where is the excitementttt!!!
we are finally get a legit psy artist in nyc |
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scott28
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 07:55
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karash is slated to play for about 90 minutes, late-nite slot.
i agree that longer set times are sometimes preferable, although the evolution of a lineup doesn't always allow for that  |
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scott28
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 07:57
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28thday and Psybotik invite you to come rock the Karashbah this Saturday at CONTRACOSMOS. From dangerous dark stylings to soaring full-on and beyond, we'll traverse a wide arc of psychedelic terrain as we inaugurate Brooklyn's newest party spot.
Icarus and light-o-matic unite again to assemble one of the finest mobile sound systems in the city, and we welcome Glass Bead Collective on board with visual art.
$15 advance tickets will remain available until Friday 10PM. Don't miss this last chance to get your slice of the multiverse at a fire-sale price! Late adopters will be welcome at the door, although based on response we may release the venue only to a limited audience.
Visit 28thday for tickets, lineup, and further details. Full flyer up on Psybotik.
See you on Saturday!
-28thday & Psybotik
www.28thday.com
www.psybotik.com
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Alakazam
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 08:54
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Nice to see Fractal Phono on a lineup in the big city.
GO RORY-- Bring that shit PA style!!!
Maybe I can make it to this one??!!
Anyone trekking from the illadelph? |
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Trick
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 15:15
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90 minutes only come onnn!!!
the two main artists you are bringing are
helios and karash...as shown by you putting them in the headline of the thread are getting so little time
the party is only seven hours they should be playing at least 2 hour sets each...karash played 3 hours alone in cali from 4Am till 7AM the perfect set time...albeit that was a much longer outdoor party...he is meant to have the main hours of the party because he is the full power artist
its not like we get to see these artists everday...you bring up all the rest of your djs anytime they are all from philly/nyc/boston
i really dont get the orgs in NYC
and ther view of the evolution of the music
evolution of music takes place when there is a outdoor 24 hour party
not when you have 7 hours and try to jam in 7 different djs...esp when you are bringing in a karash and helios who not many people have heard and are really coming to see them only
thast like forced evolution....it makes no sense
COME ON!!!!!
you should take a vote and ask everyone how long they want to hear everyone play for
since it seems you guys just dont get it
and now someone will say well if you dont like it just dont come for the event
well i live in nyc and i want to hear karash and this is my only opportunity so im gonna try and make sure they get it right!!!
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sick_Trick
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 16:33
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yes Orgz. will follow whatever Trick has to say ... he has thrown more parties then you guys in india and smoked more chillums ! you should def. take a vote and ask everyone how long each artist should play, which tracks each artist should play, which artist shouldn't play, which sound system to be used so that the party is full power, how much money shuld one pay at the door ( oooh 15$ is way to much for 7 djs ) and also do u refund money if i dont like 2 tracks that Karash might play ....
also few lectures about evolution and consciousness during the party is a good idea as most people including you organizers dont understand other then Trick !
COME ON its not fair that the main artist for this plays plays 3 hours in cali and 24 * 7 at his studio and we hear only 90 minutes 
I think you shuld also take a vote and ask people if they want to see Trick at the party play some really dark tunes that will take everyone far far away ( as he says) and we never come back to this world !
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Trick
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 16:36
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lol YESSSS I AGREE
we should do exactly what BOB LOB LAW or whoever wrote this posting under an anoymous name has said
what a straight up BITCH MOVE....
but i do def agree
i am right and you are wrong
i sit all day in goa in chapora
and smoke chillums wiht all the killargh
artists and djs, actually GOA GIL
takes music from me and is the only one he will share the stage with
the italians and israelis all ask me which is best mal they have because i sit in tosh and malana and rub the resin off the plants with the farmers because they only trust me to do it i am the all knowing god of charas
moreover albert hoffman even comes to me and asks me about the meaning of LSD and life and why the earth hes evolved this way
that is basically it
thank you for confirming the truth
i am the man
that is all i have wanted for so long now
a complete vindication of my superiority in the trance world
hahahhaha ur an idiot
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scott28
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 16:43
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sorry trick, this is only a managed democracy = ) you'll be amazed at what karash can do in 90 blistering minutes.
-scott/28thday
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Trick
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 16:44
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understood
i wish i could have some say tho 
props to bringing him here
at least better than all the rest of the idiots in nyc
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light-o-matic
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 18:19
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You just had "some say". If you want more say, then become one of the "idiots".. that is to say, throw some parties... 
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Trick
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 18:40
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thnxs lightomatic
i agree with you however i will continue to voice my opinion because that is what this forum is for
wat kind of sound can we expect from you
just curious...
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light-o-matic
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 19:52
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Oh yea you can voice your opinion, people might even listen. I doubt it but you can try...
As far as the sound, actually that is probably something that will get decided today. At first I was just coming in to engineer the Icarus system, which is a very nice system, and probably bring in some of my own processing. But maybe I'm also bringing in some pieces of my light-o-matic system in addition to that. Anyway I'm not going to get into the gory details especially since it's not final yet, but it is going to be a 4 point system and probably a 4 way system, at least in the front. Lots of power.. at least 10,000 watts of bass alone, probably more. But the way I like to run systems is with very well controlled levels on the highs.. loud, but not so loud that your ears hurt after the party. No distortion and plenty of bass. That is the goal
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Trick
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 20:02
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hahah well ok
i will continue to voice it even if its all in vain
as for the system sounds killa
ive just been noticing alot in parties that ive been going to the sound has been very unclear and muffled
when i play tracks at home on my monitors they sound ten times better than at parties which is strange to me
moreover the bass is usually so exaggerated that it blocks the rest of the frequencies
is this just a problem with equing?
i dont know much about the technicals of sound just what my ears telll me
what is main difference between the sound quality i am hearing at home and at parties in your opinion...why is the bass blocking out the rest of the sound experience?
ne thoughts?
also a question on positioning...the parties that ive enjoyed wiht good sound usually have stacks of sound on the ground build on top of one another finishing at human height...what role does it play if the sound is hoisted up higher than the person? i just feel like its harder to get hear it all because the sound is going above your ears and head? do you think this is true...
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light-o-matic
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 20:39
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Well, it's kind of a big subject. Maybe if you name a specific party, then if I was there I can comment on what I thought about that system. I have actually rarely heard too much bass at a party.. more often it's a system that is not capable of the required amount of bass.. that is getting pushed into distortion. So you get a lot of distorted bass harmonics that sound bad. That is probably what's bothering you.
As far as listening to monitors at home.. of course that's going to sound great but the situation is totally different. You don't listen as loud at home as you do at a party (maybe you think you do, but you probably don't) or have as much bass. Also you are in a much smaller room usually.. and with a good amount of furniture etc.. or at least you are very close to the speakers. So the demands on the speakers are much less.. they don't have to be as high powered, don't have to be as concerned with dispersion (how much sound pushed in each direction), or efficiency.. or a lot of other things you have to worry about with party sound. Also with monitors you are usually placing them exactly where you want them, probably against a wall.. which is a good place for them. And you get to sit exactly where you want. It's a much easier set of constraints. So the monitor designers can just worry about making the monitors sound good under those very limited conditions. Most monitors wouldn't stand a chance in any but the smallest party situations.
With party sound you rarely get to set up exactly how you want, and you have to make it sound good in the whole space.. it has to be loud, you want it to sound consistent through the whole dancefloor, no distortion, lots of bass.. you need a lot more equipment to do this, setting it up is a lot more tricky and it varies from one party to the next because the rooms vary. The sound even varies from the beginning of the party to the end because the crowd gets bigger and smaller. The equipment used to do this is designed differently than monitors because it has to be able to deal with these more demanding conditions. Then besides equipment problems you have people problems. If you have a DJ at a party who insists on redlining the system and will not turn it down, then you are going to get distorted, bad sound. You go turn it down.. and they turn it right back up as soon as you walk away. And it doesn't matter what the sound engineer does at that point, because once the signal is distorted within the DJ mixer, there's no way to make it sound good. This happens all the time.
But does that mean that party sound can't be better? No of course not. But good sound takes good equipment, and just as important it takes people who are dedicated to understanding how it works.
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Trick
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 20:45
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thnxs mate for the insight
very informational
it must have been the distorted bass harmonics then
that usually ruins the party/sound experience for me
two examples: i felt this way at the xama/lab/tryamabaka
and i also felt this way at a tdc party baby jelly/fragetrollet
i just think sound is def the main ingredient and if something is off with the sound system it doesnt matter who you bring or what you do how can you have a true trance dance experience people come for the music that is what should be remembered
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