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sat. june 26th worldwide day against drugs
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diskonekt
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Posted : Jun 24, 2004 23:14
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On 2004-06-24 17:31, DETOX wrote:
In Greece some people have died in parties because of overdose,many fights have begun in parties because of drugged people and because of drug dealers fighting for 'their territory'
People that say that 'drugs open a new door to your mind and allows you to see things from a different perspective' are weak people who cannot face reality and seek an escape through these substances.We all know where do these people end,either in jail or in grave or in being homeless and begging for food and their dosage or at a shirnks office seeking for professional advices and medication in order to deal with their brain damage and psychological problems.
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C'mon DETOX (and everyone else accusing me) you propably read my replies but not 2 well !
I'm not saying it's nice to go to a party and eat 4-5 Es and a couple of acid blotters and some K and god knows what else,or trying to push drugs in a party...i'm on your side on this.
What i say from the beginning is no to excessive drug use.I'm talking about gathering up with friends on saturday night and pass around some Js,relaxing after work ,or 2-3 times a year taking some acid in a party just for the old times kickback.
I don't see how do i harm other people by doing this but maybe i'm just stupid and i don't get it.
The only one i may harm is myself but i'm totally aware of this!
As for the part about people that ruined their lives because of drugs i'm pretty sure that if drugs didn't exist they'd propably find another way to do it.If a person is gonna fail in life that's gonna happen whether he takes drugs or not!
I myself know dozens of people that take drugs for years and they have started businesses,made families and generally living happy lives while others that never used substances live in misery
because of shitty jobs or broken relationships or whatever...
If you can control it and have a balance in your life , nothing's gonna happen to you beacause of drugs.If you see that you can't , then you got to lay it off.Every living being knows when something makes bad to it and it's in his hand to stop it -this applies to everything in life!
klap klap klap i should have become a fuckin' writer  lol
Anyways i see that conversation has moved towards telecomunications so
i guess that's all folks..
i'm happy i got some things off my chest and found some people willing to excange opinions
on the subject.
As for others that tried to participate but eventually all they said was smthng like :
"Fuck Drugs" don't worry i'm sure eventually you'll figure out what you mean  |
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DETOX
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Posted : Jun 25, 2004 02:05
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Melodica if someone is interested in reading and following this thread i am preety sure he wont get lost with the telecommunications posts.They are offtopic but they are somehow part of this discussion,thanks for your indication anyway 
Age_Of_Panic the thing is that drugs are bad for everyone,noone can deny this,smoking is bad,alcohol is bad and drugs are bad.Noone can deny this.Excessive drug use is very bad and rare drug use is less bad,the point is though that drugs are bad in either case dont you aggree?
You might be able to control yourself with drugs but the majority of people become addicted and have problems in the process.We are not dealing with the minority of people that use drugs but with the majority.I hope you understand that.
And the majority in Greece has to do with people that take a lot of drugs in parties and destroy not only themself but also the party itself.
You wanna use drugs?Ok stay at YOUR PLACE and do what you like,even get overdosed and die,thats your problem not mine.BUT dont come to some other people's parties and do illegal things that you dont do at the road or at your house,if you dont want to respect yourself that fine BUT you have to respect the others around you.
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delight
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Posted : Jun 25, 2004 02:05
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Then you think (i am refering to age of panick) i m just a kid who is trying to say some random shit.
In no way will i try to spoil your weekend, especially mine.
Its good for you to have redefined your thoughts, but thats not what you have written.
Trully an informative day this is.
And about your karma kind of thing view.
People get fucked up because of either being misinformed (lack of knowledge on the drugs issue/not given sufficient info) or being given wrong information (i mean bullshited about drugs/ many examples here!) , or not being informed at all.
So i guess i already knew for what i was talking about and you reached a sufficient level on the discussion to get something out if it.
Luckily after you have given us some posts (i don't remember 3-4?) you are starting to get an idea of what we are talking about amigo.
You could have just said ok guys i was wrong on what i said about drugs *" as a result to the restriction of the topic "* (and i don't refer to the belief you have on the usage of drugs), instead of trying to be wise at the end of your reply.
And about the quote i have given : (do sex with drugs) <----- which is what you might think i meant. It is my way to do my protest.
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delight
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Posted : Jun 25, 2004 02:26
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Detox you are a good man.
Part of the discussion this was and its how the discussion progressed , i drink to that! (don't want to offence melodica) |
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movek
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Posted : Jun 25, 2004 04:05
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I fully agree with age of panic
and as our progonoi said
PAN METRON ARISTON.
but I can control drugs and I speak for myself.
so if you don't fell strong enough you'd better to don't mess with them.
Aåé ï èåïò ï ìåãáò ãåùìåôñåé ôï óõìðáí = 3,1415926 |
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Frenji
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Posted : Jun 25, 2004 07:45
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i see many people inside here ready and willing to do a pogrom to drug-users if they had the chance.
are anyone in this forum ever tried to convice u to take drugs guys?why u do the opossite?
the way u put the matter many of u isnt about social sensibility (to help the guys are into the problem)-and if it was again i wouldnt agree- but u put the matter with racist way (drug-users destroy our scene u said) !!!
u cant stand anyone different from u guys?
i have said it many times i ll say it one more:
IF SOMEONE MAKES HIS OPTIONS ,IS RESPOSINBLE FOR THEM ,AND SHOULDNT ANYONE ELSE HAVE A WORD ABOUT IT.
anything else is at least hypocrisy (stop the drugs guys we want to help u/u destroy our scene),isnt it?
as for the destroy of the scene u said...
drugs was into the scene from the beginning.isnt something that came later as threat.so imo is a part of it we want it or not.
and plz stop to be ready to 'eat' anyone else who have different opinion than u.
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Frenji
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Posted : Jun 25, 2004 08:06
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i also think that the only problem is drugs to be fall to idiot's hands,but noone can do something about it.
arent drugs that destroy the scene.idiot people are who destroy the scene.
as to anything else usage wont do bad to anyone...over-usage will do.
and not to be misurunderstood : i dont support drugs.i support people's freedom taking their options for themselfs.
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Melodica
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Posted : Jun 25, 2004 08:57
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DETOX u know better from me that some promoters in the past (i dont want to refer names in common) used the majority of money parties for trips, pills and cokaine.
They gave all this stuff to some ''familiar people'' in point of to sell them inside the party and gain more and more money...
The same promoters let the entrance of albanian people in the parties (for the same reason)... creaténg a bad situation and many people growed away from the parties.
I believe nowadays the situation is better.
P.S. Cause of i wont to be misunderstooded i am not refering to u, i know your efforts in the trance scene. KEEP THE SPIRIT!
LET US DANCE INTO THE NEXT DIMENSION AND IMMORTALITY |
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eternal motion - SG
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Posted : Jun 25, 2004 11:02
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Dear frenji.We are watching plenty of people in partys trying to convice others to use drugs.This is our problem as organisers.They are not using this forum hopefully (?)
That is what detox is trying to say.We are not going to save the world...We are trying to do our best to keep the trance scene alive.And drug dealers are our major problem |
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AbsolutZero(D.V.M.)
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Posted : Jun 25, 2004 12:27
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delight
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Posted : Jun 25, 2004 17:25
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On 2004-06-25 07:45, Frenji wrote:
drugs was into the scene from the beginning.isnt something that came later as threat.so imo is a part of it we want it or not.
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The only threat is ignorance.
Don't want to argue for the rest as i think they are quite right.
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On 2004-06-25 08:57, Melodica wrote:
The same promoters let the entrance of albanian people in the parties (for the same reason)... creaténg a bad situation and many people growed away from the parties.
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You should better say albanian drug dealers not just "albanians" . I don't remember any normal albanian people to have threaten me. Very shity situation at what you refer to! |
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Melodica
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Posted : Jun 26, 2004 05:34
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Ok delight albanian drug dealers with the support of greek promoters. Its ok now?
AbsolutZero as i was the only that i refer albanian presence in the parties, especially in Athens,and u talk about albanian, russian and tatzikistan(personal add) people i dont know if after 3 o' clock u cant separate faces but i have to tell u that i was talking about moments and actions in the past that someone(s) know in this forum.
So if u can understand its ok, if u dont its ok again.
P.S. I dont want to be off topic... and those who have not loose friends or brothers from drugs its better to close their mooths if they dont know details about this universal problem
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AbsolutZero(D.V.M.)
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Posted : Jun 26, 2004 11:22
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diskonekt
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Posted : Jun 26, 2004 12:15
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On 2004-06-25 02:05, delight wrote:
Luckily after you have given us some posts (i don't remember 3-4?) you are starting to get an idea of what we are talking about amigo.
You could have just said ok guys i was wrong on what i said about drugs
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Dear delight i'm getting pretty much tired of saying the same things over and over!
If you'd only take some of your precious time to sit down and read (not take a look!) at what i say then you'd propably see that in my first thread i wrote down :
"And we're not talking about wars, killings, stealing, racism....we are talking about putting on some music at night and smoking a j,going to a party on some acid and dance
Drug abuse - and abusing in general- on the other hand is of an issue but if you'd care about that maybe the topic would be anti-drug-abuse day...."
And on my last thread :
"I'm not saying it's nice to go to a party and eat 4-5 Es and a couple of acid blotters and some K and god knows what else,or trying to push drugs in a party...i'm on your side on this.
What i say from the beginning is no to excessive drug use.I'm talking about gathering up with friends on saturday night and pass around some Js,relaxing after work ,or 2-3 times a year taking some acid in a party just for the old times kickback"
Pretty much (if not compeletely) the same to what i wrote down in all my other threads.
So how the hell was i wrong?Did my beliefs and my opinions changed throughout this whole conversation???? I don't think so!!!
My man you must be blind or not speaking english very well...you could at least ask for a translation...or for a pair of glasses!
Trying to make me look like some kid that doesn't know what he's talking about,that changes his mind , and turns the things he says around is a stupid thing to do.
Let the other people that read this topic make up their own mind about my beliefs and the things i say ??? OK AMIGO ?
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EarthDrum
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Posted : Jun 26, 2004 13:53
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eehhh excuse me....
Magic mushrooms are drugs?
Just do them!
Psy trance parties dont exist without psychedelic experience...Parties with no drugs are for faggots, chickens and police snithes....if you dont want drugs you couod easily go to a commercial club and have fun....
I dont know if you are getting my point....STOP drugs!!! MAGIC MUSHROOMS made this happen....at least respect them....or else.... |
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