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cyclone
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Posted : Nov 29, 2012 17:06:34
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i read at the forum almost everyone samples the bass so it can be more stable...how i do it in logic?
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Oni Katsu
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Posted : Nov 29, 2012 18:33
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I don't, Really.
But if you want to, just record every note them selves
Hit bounce to place or load them in esx24.
Using bounce in place is really nifty, but loading the notes as a whole sequence in the sampler, is to be preferred. 
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Atherian
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Posted : Dec 1, 2012 08:30
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Ive recently been bouncing my bass down to individual notes and loading them in a sampler im really noticing a differece. i can get allot more stability for sure.. the important part is to at least bounce down a few notes that you are gonna use for sure so you have a variety.. make sure that you record a half note at least and that the filter is open.. this way you get a nice full rich tone to work from.. bounce it down load it in a sampler and make sure you put a nice tight envelope of the filter if your making that rolling bass especially. |
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Padmapani
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Posted : Dec 1, 2012 18:31
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On 2012-12-01 08:30, Atherian wrote:
Ive recently been bouncing my bass down to individual notes and loading them in a sampler im really noticing a differece. i can get allot more stability for sure.. the important part is to at least bounce down a few notes that you are gonna use for sure so you have a variety.. make sure that you record a half note at least and that the filter is open.. this way you get a nice full rich tone to work from.. bounce it down load it in a sampler and make sure you put a nice tight envelope of the filter if your making that rolling bass especially.
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tbh i wouldn't do it like this at all. the nice filters of a synth are a great part of why i'm using that synth for the sound, so i'll bounce the notes (or the pattern) with the synth filter and envelope. actually i don't do that often because i prefer using a synth that's stable enough. |
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 1, 2012 18:36
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sampler envelops are imo different than synth when controlling the amplitude, maybe cause they work on sample dunno,to me it feel more like a audio region fade on a bounced bassline note . i find it can be perfect sometimes for bassline . it can lead to very precise and tight sound more than some synths that have envelop sounding loose not precise enought, not razor sharp. (ii think also the release stage and how effectively it can cut the sound wihtour artifacts matter a lot ,not much synth are very tight for this it can make the sound less precise )
for a machine gun tight bassline that drive the kick like a ferrari , good precise release stage is welcom for these bass that need very low volume between each note wihtout sounding loose or crackle like lot of synth fast release,the best might still be audio sample fade for this bassline caractere |
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Dec 1, 2012 18:55
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I never did it like this but gonna check it out. So what is now the proper way? ..half note or 16th & with or without the synths-filter etc?
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 1, 2012 19:06
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you can try all and see what work best for yoy, if you like using glide or longer note you might sample more than 1/16 . if you sample just a few note you need to sample longeur one too as the pitch get high the sample get shorter compared to the original sample lengh
it depends what synth you use too, some don't really need it.
try esm it can work good .. audio fade or sampled.
with esm tweak it, bounce in place,use the first note ,then you can make a exs 24 instrument out of it or use it directy in audio track, if it need adjustement, redo till you get it good, it s a bit a pain .. |
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Dec 1, 2012 21:59
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that's really pain.. to make 2-3 octaves of notes the same lenghts, peaks etc.. (and only after all one can judge if it was not a timewaste) not my cup of coffee somehwo ^^but I finish my sampler instrument with saw waves from my esx atleast one time and than back to es1 I guess 
.,.but after playing a bit could make a good difference with more clearness ans stability so maybe this technique i use more often. thx https://soundcloud.com/shivagarden |
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Dec 1, 2012 23:17
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no matter what I do each time I bounce in place I get a stereo file.. even if the file is in mono & each channel is set to mono.. :/ so I always bounce the output which I change to mono than it works.. is there a trick how to achieve mono file via bounce in place option? This would make it faster..Hope it makes sense for logic users..
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 1, 2012 23:29
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On 2012-12-01 21:59, TimeTraveller wrote:
that's really pain.. to make 2-3 octaves of notes the same lenghts, peaks etc.. (and only after all one can judge if it was not a timewaste) not my cup of coffee somehwo ^^but I finish my sampler instrument with saw waves from my esx atleast one time and than back to es1 I guess
.,.but after playing a bit could make a good difference with more clearness ans stability so maybe this technique i use more often. thx
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you should not make them peak the same or it won t sound good, you dont really need 2 /3 octave too for bass? but yeah it s a pain..if the next day you wanna tweak something a little you have to redo everyhting.. |
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 1, 2012 23:35
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On 2012-12-01 23:17, TimeTraveller wrote:
no matter what I do each time I bounce in place I get a stereo file.. even if the file is in mono & each channel is set to mono.. :/ so I always bounce the output which I change to mono than it works.. is there a trick how to achieve mono file via bounce in place option? This would make it faster..Hope it makes sense for logic users..
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via ctrl B bounce in place it should be mono if the it s a mono version of the plugin on the track
otherwise on your master channels you have a little thingy like on buss to swtcih stereo mono, it look like 2 circle for stereo, 1 for mono but then you have to use normal bounce cmd B i guess |
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Dec 1, 2012 23:36
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You're right, it only takes much of time. I'd like to create a few sampler insruments out of all synth that have not the retrigger feature and fill each sampler instrument with 2 octaves atleast/use them also for other tracks in future, for tracks with other notes. However I think it will take a few redo's and a couple of exeperiments And about same peak..oh yes.. that's a cow.thanks a lot
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 1, 2012 23:38
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you can sample the saw and do the bassline patch in the sampler too. but use last version of kontakt , exs 24 can work too plenty use it but from my test , esm sound better when using his filter and envelop modulation than when it smade in exs 24.
when done on the synth you will rarely get a patch that work for all note, it need adjustement depending the note used if keyboard tracking is on the filter and maybe some other stuff about balance ,making it even more a pain but if you make a few sampler instrument you should have plenty of choice.. sampling just the oscillator is the easiest for the workflow as you dont get these problems, it won t necessary lead to the same sound but it can be just as good in kontakt, i m amzed by this thing, you can do your full bassline into it and all the processing in the sampler instrument.. you have some tube tape emu, ssl channel eq compressor emu.. i m not sure i think some was made by softube it s decent. i would rather use my plugs but it s perfectly capable .. using maschine made me really like some of the ni fx and processor, before i thought it was all shit tbh but there is some really great one |
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Dec 1, 2012 23:46
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kontakt is much better or battery I'd like more..but have only the standard logic sampler on mac which kinda sucks a bit to build all this sampler insruments - much more time to invest. I have kontakt player free version for mac don't know if it's enough for this task but gonna try it with it too.
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Dec 1, 2012 23:52
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On 2012-12-01 23:35, PoM wrote:
via ctrl B bounce in place it should be mono if the it s a mono version of the plugin on the track
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I record the synth output and get a mono file than make a few adjustments with audio file and bounce in place like you describe but then I get only a stereo file as result.. even if the original file was a mono one.
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otherwise on your master channels you have a little thingy like on buss to swtcih stereo mono, it look like 2 circle for stereo, 1 for mono but then you have to use normal bounce cmd B i guess
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this is the way I do but ctrl b for bounce in place would make all faster.
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