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Luis M.
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Posted : Oct 8, 2008 18:59:56
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Hi guys!
I was wondering how many of you work at sample rates higher than 44.1 khz..
I am gonna try working with higher sample
rates and then check the results, i expect to achieve more precision and clear sound!
This technique is used by some engineers, recording bands at higher sample rates like 96 khz results in a more clear sound, even if it is going to be converted to cd(44.1 khz).
If i am doing a live set i think there is no need to use only 44.1khz (cd)
Can you please tell me what you think!
Any advice?
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Brain_Train
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Posted : Oct 8, 2008 19:54
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i don't think it will be much of an advantage...
i've seen many discussions about this on several forums...in the end most people say it's not worth it...maybe a small improvement but hardly audible... |
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orange
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Posted : Oct 8, 2008 20:55
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Luis M.
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Posted : Oct 9, 2008 01:52
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Well, to be honest with you, my friend created something at 44.1 and then at 96kh and we didn't hear a BIG diference.
But if some engineers i know of, are doing it at professional studios it's because it must make a diference, i guess!
I think higher sample rates enable the listener to perceive certain instruments if not all with more clarity.
I am gonna try it out and see for myself, after all it's the best one can do.
But yeah, share your experience about Creating, Recording music at higher sample rates....
I would like to know the Advantages and Disadvantages, i'll try and start with what i think i know:
Advantages: Perceive instruments more clearly,
better quality.
Disadvantages: Can put more efford on the computer, might result in less tracks (with slow computer).
Take up disk space.
Anymore advantages and disadvantages ?
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eole
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Posted : Oct 9, 2008 17:11
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i see one good reason to record in 96KHz :
if you want to unpitch it at very low speed, you'll have better quality interpolation.
very good for making deep soundscapes without digital artefacts.
it's like the pixels on a digital camera when you're zooming...
also, i've heard about that mixing is more clear in high sampling frequencies because the mask effect (i don't know if this word is correct in english...) between frequencies is weaker.
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PoM
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Posted : Oct 9, 2008 19:47
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advantages : it could make some plugs sound better and if you record external sources with not very good soundcard/converters it could help (maybe on the d/a side too )
but 44.1 or 96 if it s well produced it s sound good .. so i ll would try to reach the sound quality you re aiming for at 44.1 then maybe think to go higher . |
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Greententacle
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Posted : Oct 9, 2008 20:06
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Please stop this mumbojambo! |
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Upavas
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Posted : Oct 10, 2008 02:30
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There are no audible advances whatsoever. Not unless you have aliasing which can easily without any loss be prevented by using a lowpass filter. Considering the fact that we cannot hear anything above 20khz, a sampling rate of 44.1khz is more than enough since to play back a 20khz wave without aliasing you only need a little more than 40khz sampling rate. I generally use 48khz for movies, simply because it is the preferred format, not because I think it is better. 96khz and even 192khz are nothing but marketing and I haven'te really seen either used anywhere.
This theme has been widely covered on many occasions in this forum so feel free to look it up.
You can also check out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyquist%E2%80%93Shannon_sampling_theorem
for more info!
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piko_bianko
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Posted : Oct 10, 2008 10:39
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i'm also stuck @ 48khz (i might say just out of habit) 
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Luis M.
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Posted : Oct 11, 2008 18:42
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Nice to hear your opinions.
I didn't know this topic had been discussed here before (should know that, afteral this is a comun issue)
Like Upavas said, "considering the fact that we can't hear nothing above 20 khz, 44.1 should be enough"
It makes sense, but i hear all the time that more bits sound better, and hgher sample rates to..
Anyway, it's good to ask you people this kind of stuff, as i progress in music i will be able to constact certain things myself.
Thnk you pple!!
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-aeon-
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Posted : Oct 11, 2008 20:04
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i can't think of a compelling reason to go higher than 48.
in fact i use 44.1... even when i record my violin.
what works in a professional or traditional recording studio might not always be best - or necessary - for a psytrance producer.
the arguments about higher sample rates seem to centre around the relationship between inaudible high frequencies and their effect on our perception of audible frequencies below them. personally i haven't really heard any difference and i can't really see how it will make a difference to your pumping bassline and squelchy noises  but good on you for trying it yourself and keeping open ears!
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Upavas
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Posted : Oct 11, 2008 20:22
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On 2008-10-11 18:42, Luis M. wrote:
Nice to hear your opinions.
I didn't know this topic had been discussed here before (should know that, afteral this is a comun issue)
Like Upavas said, "considering the fact that we can't hear nothing above 20 khz, 44.1 should be enough"
It makes sense, but i hear all the time that more bits sound better, and hgher sample rates to..
Anyway, it's good to ask you people this kind of stuff, as i progress in music i will be able to constact certain things myself.
Thnk you pple!!
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Bits have nothing whatsoever to do with your sampling rate. You are talking about 2 horses here...
As far as sampling rates are concerned, if my previous post was not detailed enough (which I believe it was) I suggest to im Undertow, who will explain the whole thing with extreme precision...
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makus
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Posted : Oct 13, 2008 12:31
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Hey Luis when you start recording very cool musicians playing on unique expensive instruments with fucking cool microphones through eye-popping analog chain into a mega sound card followed by an ultra sharp AD converter I guess you'll have to switch to 96 or even higher sample rate 
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MadScientist
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Posted : Oct 13, 2008 12:47
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for electronic music, especially out of the box, its really not necessary to go any higher than 44.1
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Luis M.
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Posted : Oct 14, 2008 02:54
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On 2008-10-13 12:31, makus wrote:
Hey Luis when you start recording very cool musicians playing on unique expensive instruments with fucking cool microphones through eye-popping analog chain into a mega sound card followed by an ultra sharp AD converter I guess you'll have to switch to 96 or even higher sample rate
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Well, funny, it is actually with that type of gear thatd i am being thought at the moment, the engineer in the studio records everything in 96 khz even if it is going to be converted to a lower sample rate. anyway, he advise me to use higher sample rates if i wanted to, having in mind some disadvantages like "more computer power needed", even thou this kind of information gets to me from experienced engineers, i like to ask other people in my style of music to see how they work.....
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