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Same BPM, yet a faster sound-discussion!

Oni Katsu
Li/fe

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Posted : Oct 24, 2012 13:30:59
Hello guys! since i'm full of questions about this i'm going to compare my own work to a professional producer's work.






(The voice editing in the intro gives me the giggles)

vs



(This track is just some ideas i've thrown together)

So here's the discussion, i know the term "Same bpm but still faster sound" is based on the lengt of kickdrum and how long the bassones will last, as well as the percussion's lenght, volume and speed.

This is really hard to achieve!
I have been looking into this for about 6-7 hours without more than a toilet break. I guess that's normal but, the more you know.

Also, will i need a brand new guitar to achieve such a clear sound or will some sort of plugin do the job?            http://soundcloud.com/li-fe

I said I like it dirty, not muddy.
fractal fields
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Oct 24, 2012 16:01

Thats close


To my ears the diff sits in the percussions, yours are shorter,more a gate effect giving a faster feeling.

The original has perc/hats are sliding over the pattern streching (perception of) speed.

I would try this first looks what it gives ya

cheers
knocz
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Posted : Oct 24, 2012 19:44
Really nice production! It seems like you've made what you wanted, and that's more than mos of the people here.

As a suggestion, try using faster leads. The example has a nice fast arpeg going on, that could contribute to the sense of speed you are going after - and if you want some more speed, something has to be going fast.

Hope this helps           Super Banana Sauce http://www.soundcloud.com/knocz
psyraal
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Posted : Oct 24, 2012 20:36
Quote:

On 2012-10-24 19:44, knocz wrote:
and if you want some more speed, something has to be going fast.



the key to wat you want oni katsu, is here           
https://soundcloud.com/neervos
makus
Overdream

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Posted : Oct 24, 2012 21:49
what did you track the guitar with?           
www.overdreamstudio.com
Oni Katsu
Li/fe

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Posted : Oct 27, 2012 18:22
Alright so if i've got it straight here, i need a longer open hat for the sound to be more pushed and to leave the illusion of this sound to be faster than it already is.

Makus: That there is a tweaked sample from the Logic library really, but i found the sound rather ok for this so i used it! But i'd love to be able to make a sound resonant and equal to Solaris's sample!

Oh yeah: I'm not trying to critizise or anything related to that right now, but @Psyraal and Knocz: Thank you guys! i think i know what you're talking about! very fast arpeggios leave that impression very well, i've tried it before, but the overall speed feeling just, drops a bit when the arpeggios are gone, and if i've got it right, i could stretch the sound of the closed hat line or use a different sample right? i found out that by shortening the closed hat-samples the percussion gets a little tubby. Yes?            http://soundcloud.com/li-fe

I said I like it dirty, not muddy.
psyraal
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Posted : Oct 27, 2012 20:04
not trying to showoff here but i can show you an example, listen to my 'maja minds' tune, and you'll see the beat going wayyyy fast at just 140 bpms           
https://soundcloud.com/neervos
Oni Katsu
Li/fe

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Posted : Oct 28, 2012 18:07
After my analysis in that track of yours, whick btw has got a wonderful texture, great job!

a really long open highat will push the track more than a loud closed- hat-line and a doubled- short open hat!

Also Psyraal, don't worry about anyone thinking you want to show of in this forum. At least not this part of the forum.
We all love sharing and listening to eachother to learn and grow.
at least from my point of view!            http://soundcloud.com/li-fe

I said I like it dirty, not muddy.
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