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Tomos
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Posted : Mar 1, 2007 12:56
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Has anyone done one?
The EMP course looks interesting. |
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Seppa
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Posted : Mar 1, 2007 17:39
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yep I've done the sound engineering diploma in 2003. It was very hard, I m one of the rare guy in my class to pass the final test. anyway it's hard and the level of teaching is poor, success depends on how much time you spend with the machine and reading books. studio time now a day is very difficult to get at sae london cause its overcroweded.( i still have friends working there). So you better go to Alchemea College of Audio Engineering. the level of teaching is serious and you get a private time with lecturer too. |
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Scrambled Headz
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Posted : Mar 1, 2007 18:36
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Exactly man..the course Audio engineering in London is hard but it all depends as seppa said on how you deal with it and how many hours u spend working in the studios 
Also from what i know about the EMP
-easygoing classes
-Lots of Logic
-Some reason
-lots of electronic productions assignments
-Overall you learn good Logic...nothing more....
Its all up to you when you get there
SAE is only giving the tools to work with....its how you work itmthat counts
But F*** yea man the sae experience is totally worth it
If you have the money to pay for the fees you can get in SAE no worries...
Also truth is the overccrowded classes....
And you get loots of personal tutering in SAE also  : Panaiz *25 Motorbrain :
PSYPRUS MADNESS_OUT NOW ! |
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-dudi-
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Posted : Mar 1, 2007 22:20
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i dont know about sae london
but audio engineering courses in general are very hard
and if u wanna just do a course to learn music then the emp course would be a good idea
or u can use tht money to buy some books and equipment to start off and fuck around 
best of luck |
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Tomos
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Posted : Mar 1, 2007 22:49
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Thanks guys, really really appreciate the replies.
I've applied for the EMP course in London with the chance to go on to do the Audio Engineering if I pass as I don't have the qualifications to jump straight into a degree in Audio. I've got a library of books I know back to front, and I couldn't be more enthusiastic about any other subject but music. I'm just hoping it will lay the groundwork for plenty of future learning.
I've been messing about with producing for a couple of years and have loads of ideas but the work flow and messing about with eqing and mixing correctly is really slowing me down. I'd like to just get it right first time and be confident I know what I'm doing and get on with the track.
Emphasis on correctly making music, because while what I'm doing could be considered music, i'm certain it's 90% guesswork and settling on a particular outcome because it sounds acceptable rather that actually really good.
Also really important to me is making friends who have similar interests, as over the past couple of years all my friends have dropped off the radar as they've done their own non-music related things and I've stuck with what I love. I'm so looking forward to being able to discuss geeky shit with fellow music people. Maybe even learn some new tricks not on the course |
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Scrambled Headz
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Posted : Mar 2, 2007 00:19
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In that case man do the emp first and then yousee about the A.E.
check your pm
: Panaiz *25 Motorbrain :
PSYPRUS MADNESS_OUT NOW ! |
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pants!
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Posted : Mar 4, 2007 15:21
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sae seems to focus a lot on audio engineering (the AE in SAE). i.e. stuff like how many watts do i need for a space this big and where should i position the speakers for this room and that sort of stuff.
thats all cool and important but i know someone who did an sae course and they only really know the basics of music production so like just remember audio engineering != music production. that said i wish i had mad audio engineer skills.
if i had the time and the money i'd do the course in the drop of the hat cause technical skill is important and also its a good way to meet like minded people who are heaps into music, and a good excuse to spend a fair bit of time messing with stuff. none of this "so what you doing?" "oh im unemployed", its "oh im studying audio engineering" |
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RenderingRebel
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Posted : Mar 5, 2007 16:31
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The emp course is totally not interesting when you're already into music production a little bit
I started the course in amsterdam and was bored like hell.
They teach really basic stuff about logic.
But i think it depends on the sae you go to becouse my teacher was just not really good in telling interesting stuff i quess
Kept going on about binary codes and midi messages.
I would say its not worth the money
However the studio audio engineering course is really good, greet tools to work with and really experienced people. Lots of information, but also very pricy.
Anyway, dont take emp if you already know the basics of cubase and logic. All the stuff they teach you can be learned by trying out aswell.
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vipal
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Posted : Mar 11, 2007 03:43
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from sometime ago to someone here about emp at sae:
did as a pc-cubase owner a electronic production course with lots of logic while not having or wanting a mac. waist of time, super boring. unless you want to move to logic (which is probably not your case otherwise this question would not arise) its a very inefficient way of learning imo. the argument every sequencer-program is basically the same does not make sense. check/ask if the teacher can do simultaniously the cubase equivalent with his examples with logic. cannot be that time consuming or hard. anyhow i think its a bit silly to go through the handout of a program in a school. this you can do yourself. search/ask here on the board for real questions. 'you always learn something' -arguments cannot be beaten but i would ask for lessons that you can apply at home but first i would ask the question: why logic while cubase is a much more used program amongst people in our class? and... enjoy the school
and my comment now: take personal lessons from someone who you respect for his/her music production!
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soulfood
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Posted : Mar 11, 2007 15:47
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It's far from london but as far as UK production courses go, check out the leeds college of music. It's quite a tough one to get into but there's minimum crowd, maximum efficency. |
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alientrancesistor
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Posted : Mar 12, 2007 17:36
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hey guys!
joined sae-chennai -india a.e. course!if ur planning to join a.e in india i guess chennai is better compared to mumbai sae!!according to my frnds who r studying in mumbai and chennai .they told me chennai is better!
studio is good now compared to how it was couple of years bk in chennai!!
p.l.u.r |
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ASTARTICA
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Posted : Mar 12, 2007 18:19
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i started dfad (digital film and animation) @ sae vienna last november - very cool and expensive!
in case of emp i agree to:
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and my comment now: take personal lessons from someone who you respect for his/her music production!
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cubase are also part of the emp in vienna, as i know from a friend who do the program last year.
donŽt believe the hype that you went out of emp as an pruducer-champ :/
mac based system at sae.
a little vit.c(onnection) between apple and sae i guess
all diploma-students get a macbook (you have to pay it by yourself-what else)
i work on OSX and XP, right tool for the right work!
audio engineer BA - i said yes if your plan is a pro-studio, commercial one (you dont need a BA for a com. studio but youŽll need a com. fulltime-job to pay your education
all in all, i like the sae and iŽm sorry that i have to quiet it for now in case of money-vacuum (bmc well done 92%)
if youŽre ready to go there, be sure to use every second there for your benefit - you have to pay it
cheers
fullofpsygressive sounddesign / astartic lab
http://soundcloud.com/astartic-lab
http://astartic-lab.bandcamp.com/
http://sdi-lab.bandcamp.com/ |
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dija
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Posted : Mar 12, 2007 20:33
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Really depends what you are after here. I have asked this question many times if audio school is worth it. The general answer is no.
If you are just looking for a foot in the door to a job then I'd suggest you pick the cheapest recording school that has a decent reputation. SAE is basically a rip at its cost. There is a recording school here in America that runs for 6 weeks long and only cost 3k (they provide housing as well). They have job placement and are well accepted in the industry. It's called The Recording Workshop.
If you just want to learn then your better off spending the money on your own equipment. You will have much more fun and learn much more.
A few things to keep in mind about audio as a profession. . .
Even if school does place you in a job the chance that it will be a music studio is very slim. You will most likely be in some kind of broadcasting.
You will work long hours for dirt pay. Only after being in the industry a long time will you even make enough to live a decent life.
So if you truly want to do audio for a living. This means being poor, long long hours, little social life, unable to support a family.
My decision was that its not worth it to me. I'm a musician first then an engineer anyways.
This is information not from my own experience. I have accumulated this information from professionals through my own battle about rather to be in sound as a career.
I just read your post above...if you just want to meet people and have a good time. Then go to SAE @ Baron Bay If you got the money to burn why not go party in aussie land. |
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antagon
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Posted : Mar 13, 2007 00:48
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I wouldnŽt visit the EMP Course, if you want to produce electronic music, buy good equipment, stay home, read some books/ manuals and try everything you read, there is enough around in the web...
IŽm visiting the fulltime Audio Course in Hamburg at the moment and i think its okay (perhaps a bit overpriced ;-) ) if you have the money and if you are intrested to work in pro audio studios...
it is very focused on analog recording and on everything where an audio engineer is needed in commercial productions (film, musicprodction etc.) not in Electronic Music Production...
www.myspace.com/antagonmedia
www.myspace.com/zinterzone |
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RenderingRebel
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Posted : Mar 13, 2007 10:59
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By the way when i went to sae emp they were in switching to cubase and using it more and more becouse of the demands of the students..
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