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Alien Bug
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Posted : Jan 15, 2013 14:33
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hmmm... it was different in the past? do people had to listen music only on expensive audio soundsystems in the past? 
good music (maked on cheap hardware) people will enjoy even on laptop speakers, shitty music (maked in biggest studio in the world) people will not enjoy even on most expensive audiophile soundsystem with golden cables
ps. mates, most people dont hear difference between cheap computer speakers with only mid freqs spectrum response and expensive speakers with full spectrum response. do some blind tests on your friends
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Alien Bug
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Posted : Jan 16, 2013 00:08
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Sunrise Travellers
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Posted : Jan 16, 2013 03:15
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i agree with Alien Bug here!
even you listen music from your mp3 walkman or laptop speakers if the music is good you still enjoy it...yeah sure you will not have the full details of it but you cant have a soundsystem wherever you go 
people enjoy the music if is good
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makus
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Posted : Jan 16, 2013 23:17
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On 2013-01-12 00:48, bandarlog wrote:
Even sadder are notebook speakers. If you know your music is listened to on those things, you might as wel put a 500hz HP filter on your master channel...
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And Stereo Width = 7%, lol.
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makus
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Posted : Jan 16, 2013 23:21
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its also funny for me that video and sound production goes really high tech nowadays but vast majority of people are fine with youtube in 360p and according sound
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Padmapani
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Posted : Jan 17, 2013 02:11
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On 2013-01-16 23:21, makus wrote:
its also funny for me that video and sound production goes really high tech nowadays but vast majority of people are fine with youtube in 360p and according sound
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youtube quality...
just a few weeks ago i was shocked (as you can imagine) when a friend told me that he deleted his entire music library, becuase he can listen to anything from youtube. |
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Alien Bug
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Posted : Jan 17, 2013 02:32
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like i said. a lot of people dont hear differences between hi end sound and... youtube 240p. for me its easy because if they don't know what they have to hear, then they don't hear that.
example: if i put 2 closets for us they will be the same, maybe a different color. but for carpenter they may differ by a great number of things, and he can tell that one is worth 5$ and other one 5000$. because he know differences.
it looks equal with the sound. we know when there is luck of 100hz in sound. we hear that. but typical listener dont know what is 100hz. what to hell is 100hz?? most of people know that sound have a bass. nothing more 
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makus
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Posted : Jan 18, 2013 14:09
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On 2013-01-17 02:11, Padmapani wrote:
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On 2013-01-16 23:21, makus wrote:
its also funny for me that video and sound production goes really high tech nowadays but vast majority of people are fine with youtube in 360p and according sound
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youtube quality...
just a few weeks ago i was shocked (as you can imagine) when a friend told me that he deleted his entire music library, becuase he can listen to anything from youtube.
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man, you won't believe, but i did that too. because of youtube and other streaming services. i do have maybe 30 cd images on my hdd with reference quality material left, though.
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makus
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Posted : Jan 18, 2013 14:27
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On 2013-01-17 02:32, Alien Bug wrote:
it looks equal with the sound. we know when there is luck of 100hz in sound. we hear that. but typical listener dont know what is 100hz. what to hell is 100hz?? most of people know that sound have a bass. nothing more
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it is even worse! as i work in advertising and tv sphere i deal with many different people. some of them understand how music works and what is the content of a song or a track. but for the most people music=melody=mood. these HAPPY people just dont separate music to instruments or tracks, they dont know how music looks in the daw. they dont think about music the way we do.
sometimes i get such comments from clients about my soundtracks or mixing jobs that i cant stop smiling (or get a clue about what the client is talking about). once i did sound mixing of a TV show for a famous local film producer / clip maker. he listened an episode i did and tried to explain me what he didnt like in such abstract terms that i finally left the project after 5 episodes (of 10) because i just couldn't understand what did he want from me. he said "the sound goes in waves". (probably he didnt know he is actually correct, lol). up and down. and he looses "it" when sees the episode. wtf? i just couldnt get it! did he mean technical aspects or creative? does it have anything to do with eq or balance or the way i put sfx and music? i admit i wasnt really experienced in mixing things for TV that time, but I already had 6 years of pro work on advertising and 10+ years in music.
finally after a year of working on other stuff i understood what did he mean. compression. i just had to do more compression and limiting of dialogues to make them sound less dynamic and more flat. and man, i can't blame the guy he couldnt explain me i need to do 20 dB of GR instead of 3
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Alien Bug
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Posted : Jan 19, 2013 04:30
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hahahahhahhaa amazing story
for sure some people all over the forum know more stories like this
ahhh i don't remember how it is to hear 'music'. i hear compressors, instruments, panning, gains, everything but not 'music' (but smoking is helpful )
i know what you talking about. long time ago i start music project with my friend-dj. i dont remember any stories right now but our cooperation looks similar. it is very hard work. you must be a music producer and translator at once
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Posted : Jan 19, 2013 07:41
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makus
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Posted : Jan 19, 2013 15:21
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with "now it is better" - yes, we did that too, several times, with such clients as McDonalds, Lipton and several other local companies... It works
Also it is funny how some clients 'approve' things. For example, when we adapt foreign commercials of international brands to the local market, we re-record voice overs and dialogues (if any). After we record it in the studio we have to call the client and play the takes on speakers so he or she could listen on the phone! Wow! Man, it is happening for so long that everybody thinks it is ok! Some time ago I just said 'fuck! just give an actor the phone and let him say to the client the text in real time!' They approved...
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makus
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Posted : Jan 19, 2013 15:28
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Some clients require 3 or 4 different takes of voice overs to choose from. Well, it is alright, they pay money, but man, in most cases there is one right take that works. So you just record 3 bad takes and one ok and send. There were situations, though, when they chose a bad take, hehe.
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loki
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Posted : Jan 20, 2013 22:50
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On 2013-01-17 02:32, Alien Bug wrote:
it looks equal with the sound. we know when there is luck of 100hz in sound. we hear that. but typical listener dont know what is 100hz. what to hell is 100hz?? most of people know that sound have a bass. nothing more
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it is even worse! as i work in advertising and tv sphere i deal with many different people. some of them understand how music works and what is the content of a song or a track. but for the most people music=melody=mood. these HAPPY people just dont separate music to instruments or tracks, they dont know how music looks in the daw. they dont think about music the way we do.
sometimes i get such comments from clients about my soundtracks or mixing jobs that i cant stop smiling (or get a clue about what the client is talking about). once i did sound mixing of a TV show for a famous local film producer / clip maker. he listened an episode i did and tried to explain me what he didnt like in such abstract terms that i finally left the project after 5 episodes (of 10) because i just couldn't understand what did he want from me. he said "the sound goes in waves". (probably he didnt know he is actually correct, lol). up and down. and he looses "it" when sees the episode. wtf? i just couldnt get it! did he mean technical aspects or creative? does it have anything to do with eq or balance or the way i put sfx and music? i admit i wasnt really experienced in mixing things for TV that time, but I already had 6 years of pro work on advertising and 10+ years in music.
finally after a year of working on other stuff i understood what did he mean. compression. i just had to do more compression and limiting of dialogues to make them sound less dynamic and more flat. and man, i can't blame the guy he couldnt explain me i need to do 20 dB of GR instead of 3
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Actually, even without being in the audio "industry," I get this a lot. People will lean over my shoulder while I'm making tunes and I love to listen to their suggestions (because fucking writer's block) but often I have no idea what they are saying.
I've heard the following in these kinds of sessions:
- "make it more squishy there"
- "what if that sound sort of... spirals away at that point, and then comes crashing back?"
- "the second time that sound comes around, make it trippy and fade into the background"
- "the bass needs to be stickier"
WHAT THE HELL DO YOU MEAN BY THESE THINGS!?
I try, sure, and sometimes I come up with something creative.
But usually, after adding a touch of resonance and lowering the cutoff, increasing the comp ratio, they look at me and say, "no, no, I said STICKY... Come on, I thought you were good at this..."
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Melange5738
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Posted : Jan 21, 2013 03:20
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What about all these people who only listen to stuff from iTunes and such. Then it could be like:
Analog monster studio - digital master - mp3 - crummy earphones
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