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faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht
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Posted : Jul 9, 2007 12:06
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the daleks
The Daleks
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Posted : Jul 10, 2007 07:21
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wow, another round!
well, simply said, there is no doubt about the fact that taking something from someone without their asking is simply wrong.
also, people may or may not respect what is free, depending on their level of actualization, which is straight on Maslow's pyramid.
for example, if people are not aware of the fact that the trees in the forest are to be cherished, and have the value of their own existence, and simply pillage them until they are all gone for firewood, because they are 'free', then eventually you will see the same thing that has happened before, and one of the sadder states where a resource is simply disrespected. this will then propogate as negative karma to those that commited the act, and realized when the soil turns to crap, and they can't feed their children, or some other similar scenario
that being said, I for one having been in this music world for many years now have paid good money for tools, or cds that sometimes did not relate to their real value i.e. ended up being unusable, or of inferior quality. Hence the term 'buyer beware'.. sometimes software, which I was thankful to have tried in a w*rez and then found out later that I wouldnt have used, and similarly saved ALOT of money. Other things, on the other hand turned out to be so good that I eventually did buy them, and was glad to have purchased.
For example, I can't count the number of Cds I bought for one track I thought was really good, and on the hope that the rest of the CD would be full of similar well thought and inspiring material, only to find out that yeah, that was the only good track and the rest of the CD was total (or partial) crap. This happens all the time, and even last week with my most recent CD purchase. Labels, as well as artits know this when they make a release. i.e. one good track, and filler.. I think also they know this in their hearts, but there are economic motives. In contrast, there are only so many records, where the whole piece is great from start to finish. These are the ones that I think are worth buying.
So I think today its kind of a grey area, and there is no black and white, but yet as people attached to this world, on both sides we have to be aware of the dangers, pitfalls, and avenues available.
Another interesting thing that happened recently. I downloaded some tracks, and all of the tracks were cutoff from about midway through. I thought this was very clever. It gave me a good listen of this artist's vibe and ability, and without giving the whole thing away. So I think this will be the next CD I buy.
There is so much 'information' out there, that if we legitimately buy everything, we will be the ones that are poor. Therefore, we do need to be discriminatory and wise with our support, and monetary value which is kind of a life blood/fruit of our labors/energy of our soul.
I hope this makes some kind of sense. Nonetheless I have to disagree with the concept of a Warez or free download site. I think this overly cheapifys things i.e. if you are willing to dig a little deep (i.e. P2P, or better hotline - which does have a kind of bizarre ethic) you can find something, but to post it on a website is too public...
sorry for the mega-post - I watched 2 great movies last night - An Inconvenient Truth, and Darwin's Nightmare which have left me in kind of an introspective mood. In closing, I would like to recommend both of these movies to everyone here - it may seem kind of off-topic, but to me it ties in a little bit with some of the greater problems...
peace!
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D-A-R-K
D-A-R-K Records
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Posted : Jul 15, 2007 15:23
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Sharing is one thing, but reselling is ToTaLLY illegal.
Sick and tired, even free releases are killing everyone, may be nice promo but you open doors for people to expect free music all the time after.
Cutting the grass under your own feet.
Please react everyone, it's not by saying there's not much we can do that the situation is gonna get better.
Other point I'd like to take the opportunity to talk about is rip groups, stop releasing mp3 320kbps, that format is sold in shops now, so wake up and react, you know who you are, I won't name anyone, all I can say is that some of those MYCEL rippers will have a label in dark psy, ReaLLy nice...................... rip groups are supposedly there for promo, but promo for who????!!!!??!?!?!?!?!
They damn well know those rips don't stay on IRC, they hit hubs and then torrents in no time. They even have leakers amongst themselves since all their shitty nfo files state "f%ck" hubs and torrents sites, but ironically, same day or day after, they are on hubs and torrent sites.
I think 96kbps or 128kbps would already show more respect to everyone's work. We all work our asses off to provide everyone with fine releases and that's how we are being thanked, I'm thinking about the artists in particular that spend many hours on their tracks and then we have problems to support them cause the sales ARE BAD. Extremely frustrating.
Sad to see only 4 pages on the subject, I guess many feel bad cause they know too well that they abused of downloading free files. I'm not saying promo is not correct, but not in such quality files, also for the fact that obviously no one can buy all releases unless they are rich.
If music should be free then all of you that work in any field, you should work for free and see how you are gonna eat and make it to each month end. I agree to say we can't live from psy as it is, but still, that should be a concern, even if psy gets more popular it wont make it commercial music and "commercial" industry per say. Either everyone make a conscience exam or then you can listen to the yo yo bi|ch music and Britney Psyrs of this world.
See you all soon, I'm not done with this.
Cheers
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faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht
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Posted : Jul 15, 2007 18:10
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cytopia
Cytopia.org
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Posted : Jul 16, 2007 20:35
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Agreed.
I think some people dont realise how much work goes into the whole process. Its not like music costs alot, and it could cost less if more people bought instead of ripped or copied. Same goed for software, i think prices are high because of limited sales.
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Jul 17, 2007 15:05
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What you're saying is true to some extent. It is the same situation as in other branches of production and economy. Mostly we don't realize how much work goes into the process of making any product and how much effort it takes to bring the product to the store. If we could realize that than we would think about how is that money distributed between the store and people who manufacture the goods. But we don't and the result is that people work for peanuts and stores are getting richer and richer. Stores are quite happy and people are quite unhappy.
So what makes you think that people should respect your work when the whole planet seems to respect only profit? Do you care about person who's making your studio equipment in some Asian factory for few cents per hour? Do you care about how will you affect distribution of wealth? Do you care about how factories of your favorite brands treat and pay their workers? Only if the answer to all those questions is yes than you have some ground to raise a question of respecting your work. So how much you bother to respect the work of others is more or less how much your own work will be respected.
What goes around comes around. Ignorance is a bliss for a brief moment and than it stabs you in the back. Get used to it or do something about it.
  "It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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astrotec
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Posted : Jul 17, 2007 15:25
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Well said once again shamantrixx.
Shit happens, and it will happen to everyone
at some stage.
Give it away instead then there's nothing to winge about.
Aren't you guys earning enough money doing live sets anyway?
There is no need to be greedy.
I mean come on, it's not like there is any money in selling CD's anyway is there? Especially in psytrance.
EVERY CD released will get ripped at some stage and there's no way of stopping that, so you'll just have to deal with it, like everyone else has to.
Or - invent a format that can't be ripped hehehe, good luck |
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cytopia
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Posted : Jul 17, 2007 23:04
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You sound like you assume that we dont respect other's work and therefore should not respect our own work, and certainly should not expect others to respect our work.
I think in essence if you really work hard at something, earn some sense of self respect and dignity, then you can respect others easier because you can finally recognise that which you respect in yourself, in others.
I used to think all companies are corperate and that equals that all that counts is money, but i recently realized working at a big corperate company, there are alot of people there with alot of depth and passion for life, alot to learn from -so writing all of them off as not having the right values is arrogant as hell.
Money does play a huge roll in the decisions that are made in a company though -and yes that does bother me- but being completely oblivious to money doesnt work either. You have to have the right hierarchy and priorities to base their decisions on, so that consciousness itself is served and not only money, but also so money is earned and used in a way that again serves the goal -which is not money- but which is consciousness, love and understanding, which is also development which is evolution... our values do need to change and our behavior also as a species, so that we may as a collective attain the potential that some of us have experienced during pschedelic experiences -but I dont think we will attain that by making all free and renouncing money-
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D-Alien
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Posted : Jul 17, 2007 23:19
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Jul 18, 2007 05:40
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On 2007-07-17 23:04, cytopia wrote:
I dont think we will attain that by making all free and renouncing money- |
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In order to have an opinion about that we should try to do it. Until we try we can't know that it's not going to work. But as long as we don't try anything we're not going to change for sure.
Another interesting thing is that the more money one has the more he's determined that we should keep monetary system. Too bad that those don't realize that money is debt and by it the governments keep us in slavery. What pays your bills also serves as a way to keep you addicted to the system. Instead of cooperating we're competing with one another. If we would to loose money this moment we'd have enough resources to feed the whole planet and work maybe 2 hrs a day. So money really serves to those who already have enough of it to keep the others deprived of basic human needs. So don't lie to your self... It's the greed and ambitions that keep the money system running.
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Jikkenteki
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Posted : Jul 18, 2007 05:57
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On 2007-07-17 15:25, astrotec wrote:
Aren't you guys earning enough money doing live sets anyway?
There is no need to be greedy.
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Yes live sets is generally where the money is, but only the upper level of artists are actually making anything close to resembling regular money from them. I find the whole argument about psy-artists and labels and such being greedy ironic since almost NO ONE is making any money at it, artists or labels. For all this talk about greed and such, the fact is that the majority of people in this scene are doing because they WANT TO. Not for the money.
Best regards,
Jikkenteki (currently about -$2500 USD from traveling to play live sets)
  New Album: Jikkenteki - Flights Of Infinity
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cytopia
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Posted : Jul 18, 2007 09:29
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On 2007-07-18 05:40, shamantrixx wrote:
Instead of cooperating we're competing with one another. If we would to loose money this moment we'd have enough resources to feed the whole planet and work maybe 2 hrs a day. So money really serves to those who already have enough of it to keep the others deprived of basic human needs. So don't lie to your self... It's the greed and ambitions that keep the money system running.
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I dont think ripping music is the way to world peace, its not a sign of a higher deeper way of being.
The world still needs a method for trade. Corruption is within the person, not in money.
Money doesnt serve to keep others poor.
People do that.
By not being consciouess, not caring and not having the wrong hierachy of values as a collective.
Having said that its not THAT simple -some regions on the world- if you give them money, they may buy a gun and shoot you! Development is not a simple process, but for sure the world needs to change it values and actions.
You should listen to some of the audio streams by a guy called Don Beck who teaches "Spiral Dynamics" which is a sophisticated integral model for collective development.
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Jul 18, 2007 10:51
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I never said that riping psy albums is a way out of crisis nor did I said that I agree with such an act.
One thing you're right about... people are using money in many wrong ways. Money in it self does nothing but it allows people to have power over other people.
And to be honest I worry more about the rich nations buying guns for more than 400 billion $ each year and than using them to prevent poor people to make money because they could buy a gun. So as long rich have both natural resources and weapons they will maintain that position and there's no way out of that unless we start to make some difference.
  "It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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Inner Demon
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Posted : Jul 18, 2007 15:22
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On 2007-07-17 23:04, cytopia wrote:
I dont think we will attain that by making all free and renouncing money- |
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In order to have an opinion about that we should try to do it. Until we try we can't know that it's not going to work. But as long as we don't try anything we're not going to change for sure.
Another interesting thing is that the more money one has the more he's determined that we should keep monetary system. Too bad that those don't realize that money is debt and by it the governments keep us in slavery. What pays your bills also serves as a way to keep you addicted to the system. Instead of cooperating we're competing with one another. If we would to loose money this moment we'd have enough resources to feed the whole planet and work maybe 2 hrs a day. So money really serves to those who already have enough of it to keep the others deprived of basic human needs. So don't lie to your self... It's the greed and ambitions that keep the money system running.
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Sure its been tried. Money, after all, is just a medium we use to exchange goods and services.
Before 'coin' existed I might've traded you 3 pigs for one of your horses. Money enables me to buy your horse even if you have no desire to buy my pigs. So money is the layer that no longer makes it necessary for a particular deal to be mutually desirable. Thus enables specialization and the basis of what we know as a civilized way of life.
I completely agree that there are tons of downsides with the monetary system and that it kind of feeds into the darker side of us humans, but don't forget how beautiful it is too and how much it has done for us. Sure one may criticize but please do offer us an alternative solution... I can't think of one! |
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Jul 18, 2007 15:47
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Few ideas jump to my mind although they are probably not the best way to go:
- making natural resources natural again. That is to say prevent ownership of things like water, air, wood, stone, land, and oil. Nobody made any of that... those "things" ware on this planet long before us and belong to us equally as we belong to them
- some form of payment should be present but it should be available to those who work for the benefit of others (not only for their own needs) and can be used for buying commodities (things that are not natural resources and somebody had made them with their work).
- no company or organization should be allowed to have a status of person. It is impossible for the company to own anything. Companies are owned by people and people can own only what is a result of their own work.
- governments should not exist. Each division ends in violence. People are just people and nations should not exist if we want to live in peace. Governments also should not be able to own anything nor handle the distribution of natural resources.
this is just first thing that jumped to my mind and surely it's not ideal but it is a direction that could be useful if we ever reach such moment in human history.
  "It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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