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faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht
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Posted : Jul 8, 2007 02:02
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the secne is annoying me so much latley with the "give me everything for free" mentality.
seriously with all the bullshit i am not so sure i even like psytrance anymore.
sad reality.
 
The Way Back
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Jul 8, 2007 02:04
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On 2007-07-08 01:54, Meta wrote:
Shamantrixx... please stop posting. Your posts in every thread on this board are so consistently embarrassing that I'm not entirely convinced you are a real person, just prankster taking the piss on a regular basis.
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Thank you for your opinion, I will take it into consideration. In a mean while I would like to remind you that you don't have to read my posts if they bother you and if you'll feel better about your self you can continue to comment me in this manner. I really don't mind you or anyone else doing it. After all, such statements speak more about you than they portray me in any way.
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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Inner Demon
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Posted : Jul 8, 2007 02:24
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On 2007-07-08 01:58, shamantrixx wrote:
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On 2007-07-08 00:52, Inner Demon wrote:
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Yes. It's also called compartmentalization and one of the downsides is that one compartment is completely unaware of what's going on in other compartments. Beside some obvious benefits it provides an enormous capacity for few to control the general agenda of the pyramid while each compartment believes to work for benefit of society. So out of that we get great scientists discovering great things that end up as a military weapons while significant amount of human population still struggles with basic needs like food and water. Just because it has some benefits it doesn't mean that there is no better alternative.
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Fat blow to your credibility to say yes when you mean no.
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Spindrift
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Posted : Jul 8, 2007 02:54
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I can see both what shamantrixx and Inner Demon is saying.
Sure if there is a demand for your product you should earn money from it, but just because one thinks that one deserves money for a job doesn't make that a right.
If you have an employer that ask you to do a specific job you have the right to get paid.
Making money from creative work is more like running you own business...if there is a demand and you can reach out to those wanting your product you will earn money otherwise obviously your business is not viable.
Crying about current technology making it harder for you to earn money won't get you anywhere...you have to focus on how to deal with the changes or change product.
And it's here one have to deal with the conflict of creativity and business.
Are you willing to change your style of music for a more commercially viable one?
If not you are not trying to run a business and instead doing something out of love and pleasure and have no right to complain about not earning money.
If you are trying to make music to please the market and still make no money you obviously are not cut for making it in the extremely saturated music industry.
I don't at all subscribe to the view that it is a necessity that an artist make a living out of the art.
The percentage of musicians that manage to make a consistent living out their art is and always has been very few...that's not something new.
When I was young and getting in to music it seemed pretty clear to me that to earn money you make pop or TV/film stuff...i really don't know why everyone seem to think that you should be able to make money from underground music today.
You have to please the masses to earn decent money from your music...it's not really an option to find a patron that understands your art and is willing to support you like during Mozarts time. And let's face it, psytrance is hardly the most marketable product nowadays.
If you manage to make a living out of it and can deal with the pressure of having to constantly generate enough releases and gigs without compromising your creativity...good on you.
From what I seen very few manage to make a living from it, and the ones that do usually loose a lot of their creativity and love for the music after a few years.
Anyway...enough of the OT...I just think that it's odd if artists get upset that people want to hear their music...IMO that's only positive...and if they want to pay as well for the pleasure that's even better.
@cytopia
I do understand your frustration when trying to offer such a reasonable service as you do, but I'm not sure if I personally would prefer to be excluded from the trading scene...it would make me wonder why my releases is not of interest.
And like you said hopefully it will serve as promotion...I at least noticed a surge in visitors and sales when a release ended up in p2p networks.
Just out of interest...do they have your complete catalogue available or just some compilations?
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http://www.myspace.com/spindriftsounds
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Seppa
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Posted : Jul 8, 2007 10:15
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IMO........
There is so much rubish out there that I don't mind the possibility to actually download something at first. I then take the decision to spend money on an album or simply delete the mp3. I rather have good quality music which i payed for, than tones of free rubish.
The good thing is , the possibility to browse tones of music of every musical genre, and pick what you really like, and therefore you will make profit the artist you really like, which i think is only fair.
This is todays industry , there is a lot more music out there then they use to be.
10-15 years ago djs and rec companies did influences what we buy, but today its the consumer that browse through tones of music from small independant labels to big labels and finally make a choice
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Are you willing to change your style of music for a more commercially viable one?
If not you are not trying to run a business and instead doing something out of love and pleasure and have no right to complain about not earning money.
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somehow I agree with that. |
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Psynaesthesian
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Jul 8, 2007 12:06
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On 2007-07-07 22:04, Psynaesthesian wrote:
The "Sanyaasis"(it's what the clan of babas / sadhus in India are called) who have left all worldly possesions including their loved ones behind in search of salvation who don't have this need - and by the way - they have pretty hardcore survival techniques- some of them super-human!!!
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Interestingly enough when you meet those people and ask them about people such as you are (banking, economy etc.) they show great understanding of how it all works and also a great amount of compassion for every human trapped into that system. They don't judge people that live in the system and are always willing to help if any of those turns to them for help.
You don't understand the way they live and think, you certainly don't show any compassion towards them and you judge their behavior. On the top of all that you make "funny" remarks about "super-human" powers and that clearly shows the lack of respect. You could ask your self also would you be willing to help them if they ware in need of help or would you simply turn your head in another direction as you do it daily by being in banking related job.
I don't claim that "they" are neither holly nor perfect, but I see far more human characteristics in their behavior than in yours.
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On 2007-07-07 22:04, Psynaesthesian wrote:
And money (not love/fresh air) buys alot of comforts and basic neccessities to keep us all happy!! |
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If you think that purpose of life is to be happy all the time... boy you're in for a surprise of your life time. Emotions are tool and mistaking them for purpose is to never really live a life. That quite explains your view of "super human" powers thou. But there is no happy without sad. Trying to be happy all the time and avoid sadness is a fast way to deep depression and in longer terms serious mental problems.
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It is better if i don't dignify your demeaning and twisted impressions of my statements ... i'm sure that anyone with half his sanity in place, and is aware of the world around him, would have chosen his words more wisely .... but,if this is what "makes you happy", so be it!! (i wouldn't want you to go into depression now - that would be just mean of me) 
It's quite clear now who has the mental problem!!
Kya tum "Sanyaas" ka matlab jaanteho? - this is the language of the land of the Sadhus /Babas (Translation : Do you even know the meaning of "Sanyaas"). For your benefit : Sanyaasi is a person who takes / opts for Sanyaas!!
Some very "Professional" behaviour you are displaying here!!!
Respect - none the less!!
B'om Shankara!!
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cytopia
Cytopia.org
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Posted : Jul 8, 2007 12:55
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wow Shamantrixx vs the world...
Please let me be clear about some things:
While on the one hand I am quite chuffed that people liked our music enough to rip and present it on thier site; I do think ultimately its morally wrong to rip, and present music for free, that other people not only put time into, but put money into the materials and mastering and publishing infastructure.
It is here I fundamentally disagree with Shamantrixx, in some soft marshmellow way -money may seem wrong, and with all the corruption in the world it is easy to think so.
But let us think clearly now: The responsability, time and effort in working translates into being paid for that. We can then use that money to aquire or experience something that another person put the same kind of time and effort into creating to begin with. Simple.
In that way we contribute to the creative process.
I have seen Shamantrixx argue online often and I prefer not to get mixed up in it. The idea all should be free is very green meme (see spiral dynamics) and is based on pluralistic relativism)
Practically speaking if lots of people who may otherwise never had heard the music, enjoy it, thats great in way.
It would just be a shame if people who otherwise would buy the music on cytopia, do not becuase they can now get it for free.
The concept Cytopia promotes is very fairly priced music in CD quality, where most of the money goes to the artists, thereby contributing to their creative process. Maybe one of them can work their full time job 4 instead of 5 days and make more music (this is my plan personally)
Spindrift: its not our complete catalogue, just newer stuff. I had always seen the CD labels get ripped, but now its also our "home label" stuff -which can be seen as a great compliment, maybe I will get a big gig in Moscow, who knows. Time will tell.
Sander
Cytopia.org
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cytopia
Cytopia.org
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Posted : Jul 8, 2007 13:18
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On 2007-07-08 01:54, Meta wrote:
Cytopia - that sucks. As has been discussed many times, the Russian piracy sites thing is inevitable, but that's an interesting idea you had asking Google to omit them from search results. I'd be interested in any response they give you or if they have any suggestions. I noticed the same thing with my album, Russian piracy sites come right up on top before the Saikosounds & Psyshop links....
I expect people to use eMule or other p2p to share music, I accept that a certain amount of mp3 sharing is part of the promotion of the music etc, but it shouldn't be as simple as a plain http file download that you can Google for. At least the sites you saw put them up as FREE downloads, it's worse when you see a Russian pirate sites SELLING your music...
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Indeed, two things pissed me off,
1 .The search result by artist name track name had three pages of results in google, the 5 highest Russian rip sites, then two legit Cytopia hits, and then a few more pages of russian hits all linking back to the free download page.
2. The quality of the mp3 download was varbit or mp3 320kbs. That's good quality, at least most P2P is standard 192kbs, which means people can listen, but not good enough to play live.
I'll let you know if I hear back from Google, they IMO should be able to compensate such search results, since the contents the .ru site blatently says RIPS and WAREZ all over the place for alot of their content.
Sander
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Jul 8, 2007 15:10
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Indeed... I didn't knew what was it but once I've take a look at it it seems that I was not so wrong in the first place. Morality on the top of the pyramid is utter rubbish. Acceptance of the facts is also questionable because only certain fact is that we are conscious. Everything else is more or less likely. So I was wrong, but still I don't agree with it now when I've look at it. Anyway tnx for pointing this out for me 
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Jul 8, 2007 16:52
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My contribution:
Yes, if music is being made for joy and not for fame or money one should be happy about it being spread and listened to.
BUT!
So many downloader etc. do not show the least respect for the work and do not see that there has been a lot of money INVESTED, (not for the studio thats the hobbiest's pleasure, bad argument), BUT for the PRESS of the CD. Who pays that?
PRESSING a CD is very important. to materialize the music with cover and everything is a MUST for fullfilling the Artwork... but its not free. Who pays that?
Downloaders mostly are not greatful! But this is something an artists deserves: respect, feedback, greatfulness.
http://www.fiin.ch
Non profit label, it tries to finance the PRESS of a CD by selling handmade "presale" copies. Every buyer of a presale gets the final version for free.. two CDs for the price of one...
Guess what?
It's not running well.. most people say: "brilliant idea!" "really nice" but still don't buy a CD.. "the others will" .... "o sorry I don't have 12 Euro", they say and then in one breath go to a shop and buy their cigarettes or beer which are much more important, while more expensive...
Most of my music for you to download at:
http://www.subconsciousmind.ch |
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PoM
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Posted : Jul 8, 2007 17:10
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i think no one buy cd and the labels know it,they just realese stuff for dj, it s like that since the start of psytrance ,before it was with vinyl now with cds ... so i don t think mp3 sharing hurt the sales. |
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mk47
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Posted : Jul 8, 2007 17:47
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On 2007-07-07 22:04, Psynaesthesian wrote:
Kya tum "Sanyaas" ka matlab jaanteho?
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Inner Demon
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Posted : Jul 8, 2007 21:49
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On 2007-07-08 15:10, shamantrixx wrote:
Indeed... I didn't knew what was it but once I've take a look at it it seems that I was not so wrong in the first place.
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How so? You were talking about a completely different pyramid.
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Morality on the top of the pyramid is utter rubbish. Acceptance of the facts is also questionable because only certain fact is that we are conscious. Everything else is more or less likely. So I was wrong, but still I don't agree with it now when I've look at it. Anyway tnx for pointing this out for me
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Sure some of the details can be discussed, but you're missing the point of the pyramid. The point is that anything related to self-actualization (art clearly falls in this category) cannot occur unless the more basic needs are fulfilled...pretty hard to argue with that as it has been tried and tested for hundreds of years.
I've noticed that you read things very literally when you're not supposed to. 'Acceptance of facts' for instance doesn't refer to what a 'fact' is in a philosophical sense... it simply means accepting things that you cannot change.
Likewise, if someone wishes someone else happiness it doesn't literally mean that they should go off and have a 'happy' time.. its just a nice thing to say, just like greetings and whatnot. Have you never said 'see ya' to someone you know you probably never will see again?
I don't think anyone here is so dumb that they need to have pointed out that happyness cannot be experienced without experiencing its contrast, people just get annoyed with such posts, try and read between the lines dude. |
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Hg
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Posted : Jul 9, 2007 06:09
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"Ethica, ordine geometrico demonstrata - Ethik" (1677), by Spinoza with axioms and definitions followed by propositions is an Ethical System "demonstrated in geometrical order", a magnum opus I really recommend to everyone really interested in the subject. Have a nice day!
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Jul 9, 2007 06:30
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On 2007-07-08 21:49, Inner Demon wrote:
How so? You were talking about a completely different pyramid. |
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you're right. prejudices and assumptions always lead to mistakes. my reply was based on both in this case.
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On 2007-07-08 21:49, Inner Demon wrote:
Sure some of the details can be discussed, but you're missing the point of the pyramid. The point is that anything related to self-actualization (art clearly falls in this category) cannot occur unless the more basic needs are fulfilled...pretty hard to argue with that as it has been tried and tested for hundreds of years. |
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Like I've mentioned above, I'm aware that we had to gain power before we can develop ethics. What you say here is pretty much that same mechanism. On that matter I agree.
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On 2007-07-08 21:49, Inner Demon wrote:
I've noticed that you read things very literally when you're not supposed to...
I don't think anyone here is so dumb that they need to have pointed out that happyness cannot be experienced without experiencing its contrast, people just get annoyed with such posts, try and read between the lines dude.
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You're probably right about that. Sometimes I get carried away arguing and sometimes I really don't manage to read between the lines. In both cases it is my mistake. There are times when I do that on purpose perfectly aware of the fact that it will annoy people just as many times people try to annoy me with their statements... Even thou it may sound crazy many people are not aware of some simple things. If that would not be the case the world would look very differently. But bottom line is that you're right. I'll try not to take things so literally.
Tnx for the advice!
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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