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Russian club fireworks cause 100 deaths
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Moonclear
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Posted : Dec 7, 2009 03:19:05
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the truth is out there ..
NY Daily News, 12/5/09
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100 die in Russia fireworks horror
MOSCOW - At least 100 people were killed and 60 injured when an explosion caused by fireworks ripped through a packed nightclub in the city of Perm yesterday, Russian news agencies reported.
The accidental blast tore through the Lame Horse nightclub at 11:15 p.m. Moscow time, local media said.
News accounts quoted investigators as saying 100 people were killed and another 60 injured. At least 200 people were in the club at the time of the blast.
"We are not talking about a terrorist attack. We are talking about a failure to observe fire regulations," ITAR-TASS news agency quoted a spokesman for the Prosecutor-General's main investigative unit as saying.
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MR VOMERS
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Posted : Dec 7, 2009 07:35
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feck 
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MadPsyintist
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Posted : Dec 7, 2009 18:32
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oh my god... could it be? the KGB strikes again. or was it the famed eastern european hydraulic trance mass murder cult. either way I'm gonna dig a hole and bury myself in it.
for real though.... it wasn't fireworks its was fire poi that got thrown into the air and caught the ceiling on fire. lets keep the fire spinning outside children |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Dec 7, 2009 21:23
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Infinite_Sun
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Posted : Dec 7, 2009 22:24
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“These people have neither brains nor conscience,” said President Dmitry Medvedev, a judgment on the nightclub owners that was echoed by many average people interviewed by Russian media over the weekend. “We will need to punish them as harshly as possible.” |
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GyPsynate
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Posted : Dec 7, 2009 23:25
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Stupid club owners...
Poor dancers...
Dont blame the fire, it was the humans who dident fallow the directions.
Fire works indoors....Big DUHHH!!!
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Moonclear
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Posted : Dec 11, 2009 03:30
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As a fire survivor, I remain colossally spooked by indoor fire show. The last two parties I attended that featured indoor fire show ended early. As a paying partygoer I object.
Yet for all I know these people do have a permit. The process to obtain a permit can be culled from looking up the FDNY; there is a FAQ on that site at http://www.nyc.gov/html/fdny/pdf/fire_prevention/faq_exploweb.pdf
Apparently what is necessary is to call the Manager of the Explosives Unit at (718) 999-1595 .. As I have mentioned, perhaps the indoor fire show providers do actually have a permit ... I certainly hope so, after all the problems raves have had with fire code in NYC area ..... Mc |
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Hidroponik
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Posted : Dec 11, 2009 19:30
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does anybody remember the unfortunate Great White club fire incident in Rhode Island back in 2003? http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast/02/21/deadly.nightclub.fire/
96 people died when this tiny night club allowed Great White's stadium-style pyro show to happen, even though the celling was only 9 feet tall, not open air.
Then to top it off, the club owners skimped and broke the fire laws by using FLAMMABLE sound deadening pads on stage, when Rhode Island law specifically states to use flame-retardant material.
This is very unfortunate and I am greatly saddened that this story from 2003 hasn't reached the global level because these things can be avoided. There hasn't been any instances like this since 2003 that has been publicized in the USA.
My condolences to the families of those affected.
Seeing as how this is in Russia, I would be surprised if there even is a safety code for the fire safety of their citizens in venues like this.
We are all family. We put the fun in disfunctional.
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PsyCore
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Posted : Dec 12, 2009 01:21
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@Hidro
From what I've read, there IS fire code in those parts of Russia, but its far cheaper to pay off the fire inspectors than to retrofit. And it seems that the fire inspectors who had signed off on that venue are going to be on the chopping block as well...
It struck me as rather odd that 100 people were lost from this, as well as 100 people being lost from the Great White tragedy.
My heart goes out to all those affected. This seems to be something that should no longer be an issue in this world, I mean, Cocoanut Grove was in 1942!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocoanut_Grove_fire
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konvndrvm
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Posted : Dec 12, 2009 06:28
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you saying this was mob related?
Lame Horse... I woulda never guessed it
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Tizzy
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Posted : Dec 12, 2009 09:59
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This is so sad :/ Must have used a hell of a lot of explosives to kill/injure that many people. It's as severe as a bombing.
whyyyyy is this allowed!!!
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Moonclear
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Posted : Dec 19, 2009 01:08
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legit??
re: http://forum.isratrance.com/psybotik-solstice-party-12-19-09/7-155539/
fire performance
from http://www.flambeauxfire.com/safety.html
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Safety Section
*Flambeaux (and his fire production team Ted-E, Michael Saab and Russell
Burns) are accustomed to fulfilling stipulations of fire marshalls of
whatever area or event we work at.
*He's used to meeting with Fire Cheif Inspectors, to working with or
providing fire marshalls for his shows and passing flame testing on premises
according to code. He has worked closely in NYC with Neil Criscuolo of the
FDNY.
*Flambeaux carries 2 million dollar liability insurance for fire
performance, and will add your event to the policy upon request. His stage amterials and costumes are Rosco Flammexed.
*He does not provide, however, fire extinguishers for his act - that must
belong to the venue for purposes of insurance, though he must have access to
cheeck them beforehand, as would any appropriatte fire authority. For a live fireshow, fire laws mostlt stipulate one CO2 extinguisher for
fuels, and one water hydrated extinguisher for personall.
*He will provide, if requested, unless state law requires a member of the
Fire Department, a fire-safety person from his Pyro team. For simple solo
shows, the venue providing an assigned safety person is often more
efficient. That person must wear non-flammable clothing. That person must
liase with Flambeaux plenty of time before the show for a number of
reasons..... once an assigned person extinguished Flambeaux at the climax of
his act, sure that he was on fire. Well he was. But he wanted to be........
*Flambeaux must always have last word on positioning/repositioning of the
crowd. Sometimes the wind does weird things. sometimes, there's a traffic
problem, should there be a panic. Please trust him. He just won't go on if
there's danger and that's rightly in the contract.
*Flambeaux will send you a complete descrpition of tools, of fuels, of
safety concerns and the ways at hand to control them. Similarly, he will
request info you should give as detailed as possible, about the venue and
the area around the performing area. Wind, for instance, is a big issue if
the stage is outside and is a good example of a subject that requires
attention before he gets theer without material he would have needed for
safety.......
*Flambeaux uses the safest and most non-volatile fuels that also have an
extremely controllable burn rate. For this he is often lambasted by other
fire performers but he sees no reason to use seriously explosive liquid
fuels. He also, in this form, produces barely any smoke in his acts and
therefore specializes and mono[polizes, more than most fire performers, the
art of indoor fire.
*As universally understood, white gas, though hardly used by Fxxx, is marked
red, lamp oil/kerosene blue and alcahol grey.
*His wicking is non-deteriorating kevlar wicking. He can store liquid fuels,
as prescribed by law, in solid fireboxes when requested for which a key
would be left with fire marshall or prescribed fire safety person.
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flambeaux
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I have fire insurance as specified, yes. As does Victor Psybotik and Masae. We all have the same provider.
However, this venue was not additionally insured and they did not pay for a fire permit, so whatever happened here was not "legit" in totality.
More and more clubs are getting shut down and people getting fined because they do not have the proper permits (and should always have insurance). Permits are expensive (like $450 per visit) so we can't always have them if we want to make a living, but we are striving to have them as often as humanly possible. The FDNY love fire shows (when they are safe and legal) and are understanding to an extent when you are known as a safe performer. More and more, however, since the burner scene started picking up steam the past few years, there are far too many amateur fire performers performing in unsafe conditions using unsafe fuel and without proper fire safety measures taken.
This could ruin all of our performance opportunities if it ever results in an accident. I beg everyone in the Trance community (and of course everyone else) to follow all proper fire safety when performing. Always have a safety person, fire guard available in the venue, an extinguisher, fire blanket, wet rag etc. Not to mention, DON'T USE HIGHLY COMBUSTIBLE FUELS INDOORS IE WHITE GAS. This is the cause of the vast majority of fire performing accidents. No Coleman's indoors. Period. Use 99% rubbing alcohol on torches for similar effects. It might not be as "cool" but it will keep you from messing up and hurting yourself or others. |
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the dog of tears
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Posted : Nov 4, 2010 06:34
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Hidro, I remember that RI 2003 incident quite vividly. I was still living on the east coast at the time. It affected all touring bands-- nearly everyone cut the pyro out of their show and I think the sentiment is still echoing now-- I don't see nearly as much pyro in rock shows any longer (it was quite popular in the 90s, no?). |
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MR VOMERS
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On 2010-11-04 06:34, the dog of tears wrote:
Hidro, I remember that RI 2003 incident quite vividly. I was still living on the east coast at the time. It affected all touring bands-- nearly everyone cut the pyro out of their show and I think the sentiment is still echoing now-- I don't see nearly as much pyro in rock shows any longer (it was quite popular in the 90s, no?).
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ya totally i remember this quite well also..damn shame.
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