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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Mar 25, 2010 04:46
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it's just dense sponge right? for absorbing subtle vibrations.
i found the exact fabric elsewhere without the brand name for much cheaper.
i really can not see how it can improve the sound of that little desktop speakers.
like they say "it sound cleaner, clearer, and more articulate with a set of MoPAD monitor isolation pads."
how much does your desktop speakers vibrate.
maybe there is some science behind that but who knows.
just think a bit before paying top dollar for this brand name sponge.
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orgytime
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Posted : Mar 25, 2010 12:21
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thx PoM & Trip for the answeres
i´ve got a microphone:
http://www.thomann.de/at/peavey_pvm_48o.htm
can i use this, for the room resonance tests?
about the density of the rockwool im not sure,
i told my grandpa i need high density rockwool...
he gave it to me, there where no label/mark about
the density...
and yes, i have to sleep in this room...
i moved the speakers a littlebit closer to the wall,
because i wanted more livingspace in my room...
i heard no difference to the 2/5 position, but ill
put em back like you said.
youre answer was very helpfull Trip, so you think
treating my room will be more benefitfull than getting
a 2000$ pair of new monitors?
if treating is more rentable, ill go for the
basstraps etc... but i cant make them on the
backwalls... bed, and shelves... (still benefitfull?)
cheers
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Ascension
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Posted : Mar 25, 2010 14:31
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On 2010-03-25 04:46, *eLliSDee* wrote:
it's just dense sponge right? for absorbing subtle vibrations.
i found the exact fabric elsewhere without the brand name for much cheaper.
i really can not see how it can improve the sound of that little desktop speakers.
like they say "it sound cleaner, clearer, and more articulate with a set of MoPAD monitor isolation pads."
how much does your desktop speakers vibrate.
maybe there is some science behind that but who knows.
just think a bit before paying top dollar for this brand name sponge.
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1- I noticed a difference, so they have helped.
2- I got them as a trade for something else so out of pocket I paid about $20 for 2 pairs.
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Psynaesthesian
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Posted : Mar 25, 2010 14:54
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... what Trip said ....
the corners (wall/wall & wall/floor & wall ceiling) in your room are your main problem areas, so you should focus on them, and subsequently the first reflection points (including the ceiling).
corner bass traps in prism shape work well, fitting them in the space available in a bit tricky.
it wasn't possible for me to do complete and permanent treatment for my room, so i decided to go with panels on stands which act as shields while working and can be conveniently placed when not in use.
... also, if possible, tweak your monitors to their room position - closer to the wall corner - less bass response - the manual should guide you!
Good Luck!!
B'om!
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 25, 2010 17:13
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On 2010-03-25 12:21, orgytime wrote:
thx PoM & Trip for the answeres
i´ve got a microphone:
http://www.thomann.de/at/peavey_pvm_48o.htm
can i use this, for the room resonance tests?
about the density of the rockwool im not sure,
i told my grandpa i need high density rockwool...
he gave it to me, there where no label/mark about
the density...
and yes, i have to sleep in this room...
i moved the speakers a littlebit closer to the wall,
because i wanted more livingspace in my room...
i heard no difference to the 2/5 position, but ill
put em back like you said.
youre answer was very helpfull Trip, so you think
treating my room will be more benefitfull than getting
a 2000$ pair of new monitors?
if treating is more rentable, ill go for the
basstraps etc... but i cant make them on the
backwalls... bed, and shelves... (still benefitfull?)
cheers
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you could try to do measurment yes but trip said it don t mean much so maybe it s usless i don t know. just by ear , pitching slowly some sine wave you can place them already to get a flater response .
about treating or 2000 dollars monitors in the end you need both + the converters (not saying for produce psytrance but more working at a professional level in audio) |
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orgytime
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Posted : Mar 25, 2010 21:20
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@Psynaesthesian
thanks, but butting them closer to the wall would go
against this 2/5 rule. or did i missunderstood you?
@PoM
ill try that out! thanks
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 25, 2010 22:11
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i don t know if there is some rules, it depends from what materials are made the walls i guess ,the best response could be the monitors totally close to the wall ,it can happen. try to pitch some sine in a audio editor and check with analyzer,( try to find a place where the low and low mids are flat )when you find a good place for the monitors asjust the eqs behind to get even flatter response , it can really really help. also less bass is better than too much specially when the bass boost comes from the room acoustic in my experience , don t put the monitors where you have big bump in the low thinking it will be better, just try to get the curve flat |
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Adharaguy
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Posted : Mar 26, 2010 01:18
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well, my home studio have the same measures, and one problem more 1.80 meters height.
at the begining of treatment i started with foam, but is really a haste of money.
Then I started with 4 corner traps with high density rockwoll, and the result was amasing. In the sweet spot, the room are 3 or 4 times bigger than in the begining. Frequency response a little better...more definicion in low mid areas.
In the first reflexion points (side walls) i have put one panel of 5 cm thickness (with medium density)..and the front wall 80% cover with panels too.
In the back wall i have 2 more panels..
WIth that the stereo image now is perfect...you fell everything in place..
Now im thinking in cover at least the coners (wall/celling and wall/floor) of the front and back wall.
If you want to fell the diferent, or simply treat your room i will started with the coners...really...
The air gape from wall panels, are important too.. i have at 10cm. I dont now if its sounds diferent with this air gape or not, but that is prove with maths so, i never try it with no air gape.
About buy good monitors or treat room.
Is like
Who came first, the egg or the chiken?? 
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Psynaesthesian
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Posted : Mar 26, 2010 01:52
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On 2010-03-25 21:20, orgytime wrote:
@Psynaesthesian
thanks, but butting them closer to the wall would go
against this 2/5 rule. or did i missunderstood you?
@PoM
ill try that out! thanks
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the 2/5 position rule is ideal if you are able to dedicate your room and this position for your setup. it would also require some more treatment.
in my case it was not possible, i'm in the corner of my room which is probably the worst case scenario of all.
since your monitors are positioned very close to the corners, if possible, you should tweak them, usually reducing the bass response is the norm - the monitor manuals may have some tips on this ... my mackies have adjusting switches at the back for the positions they are placed in - does work!
Cheers!!
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makus
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Posted : Mar 26, 2010 09:49
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On 2010-03-25 21:20, orgytime wrote:
@Psynaesthesian
thanks, but butting them closer to the wall would go
against this 2/5 rule. or did i missunderstood you?
@PoM
ill try that out! thanks
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Trip meant to put monitors closer to each other, and i can't agree more with that. Now they stand way too far from each other, related to where you sit. The fundamental rule is to use an equilateral triangle as the basis for speaker placement.
http://files.dahnielson.com/2008/03/18/monitor_placement_top.png
2/5 advice is about the relative distance of both monitors from the back wall.
not sure if this one is really helpful. Just be sure you have your speakers at least 15-20 cm from the wall and you have the wall treated.
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orgytime
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Posted : Mar 26, 2010 13:05
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ok thanks... so the perfect triangle is more
important than the distance to the back wall? (2/5 mix pos.)
@PoM
im not sure about your sinewave method.
i would open cubase, and generate a sinewave
with any vst... at the same time i would
stick the micro at my mixingposition and
move the speekers around for most flat goal.
(and check eq posibilities at speakers too)
i can compare the liverecord signal, with
the signal directly from the vst. and chack
if there is any high resonance peak. did i
get this right?
cheers
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 26, 2010 15:45
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no man you could try the soft room eq wizard you will find tutorial online but check if it ll compensate for the frequency response of the mic ,for the sine try this one http://www.sendspace.com/file/hx5a78 it s pichted a bit too fast but you see the point, you can try to get a flater response by moving the monitors and listening to it |
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makus
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Posted : Mar 26, 2010 16:20
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On 2010-03-26 13:05, orgytime wrote:
ok thanks... so the perfect triangle is more
important than the distance to the back wall? (2/5 mix pos.)
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my answer is yes.
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orgytime
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Posted : Mar 26, 2010 16:54
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