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RMS and Mastering!!!

Brain Hacked
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Posted : Jan 13, 2009 01:41:56

Id like to know wich is the standard or recomended RMS value in the Mastering stage., i read some article son mastering and the mostly mention -10 is ok. But i m not sure if this could be apply to eelctronic/dance music.

Im doing my own perhaps unprofessional mastering and this is a question that made me think a lot.

dija
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Posted : Jan 13, 2009 01:44

most full on psy tracks are like -8 or -9 rms. I've seen some around 10 and otheres around 11 depends how hard u want it to be. but i'd say between 8 and 11.

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jizy
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Posted : Jan 13, 2009 02:21

hmmm interesting stuff.. what does IS RMS? why and how? is it sumthin to do with peak?

Elad
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Posted : Jan 13, 2009 03:38

-10 RMS averege imo
(+ - 1 depend on the mix)

alot fullon is just too compressed and have only first 'wow' effect but later in the track all sounds are small-ish

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dija
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Posted : Jan 13, 2009 03:50

rms stands for root mean square technically. but he is right to my understanding it is the average loudness of your track.

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Kane
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Posted : Jan 13, 2009 03:59

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On 2009-01-13 02:21, jizy wrote:
hmmm interesting stuff.. what does IS RMS? why and how? is it sumthin to do with peak?

RMS = root mean square. It basically describes the amplitude level over a certain amount of time (i.e. an entire track). A mastered track should peak at 0 or -0.1dB, but the average amplitude of the entire track is usually -10db. The same applies to amplifiers, where one may be able to peak at 200 watts but only uses 100 watts continuously.

For most tracks I think -10db RMS will be alright..tightens up the mix without losing too much dynamic range. Definitely depends on the mix though..I've mastered tracks at anywhere between -15 and -8, but I guess not all were trance.

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~d2~
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Posted : Feb 1, 2009 09:24

-14RMS

Lets keep some dynamics.

mind_os

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Posted : Feb 1, 2009 09:40

can anyone please tell me how do u measure rms? do u need some vst plugs for that if so can u reccomend me 1?

~d2~
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Posted : Feb 1, 2009 09:45

Your DAW should have one. Insert it on your master bus.

If not this one is free

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PsiloCybian
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Posted : Feb 1, 2009 10:08

voxengo span has a rms counter and its free

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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Feb 1, 2009 10:40

considerating files I like and checked like some f.e. tunes of xenomorph from the new album have some avarage of more or less -12,5 rms db and the infos from this board and own experiments I like -10 rms db avarage as the loudest maximum if even not too loud for my ears

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Posted : Feb 1, 2009 11:48

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On 2009-02-01 10:40, TimeTraveller wrote:
considerating files I like and checked like some f.e. tunes of xenomorph from the new album have some avarage of more or less -12,5 rms db and the infos from this board and own experiments I like -10 rms db avarage as the loudest maximum if even not too loud for my ears

Well I hope you are using good monitors that don't compress too easily if you are going to aim for -10dB RMS.

TimeTraveller
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Posted : Feb 1, 2009 14:05

I use only headphones and my spirit lol .. and systems of friends' ..but even on headphones you can hear differences and my aim is to satisfy myself with own works.only that

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Posted : Feb 1, 2009 14:09

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On 2009-02-01 14:05, TimeTraveller wrote:
I use only headphones and my spirit lol .. and systems of friends' ..but even on headphones you can hear differences and my aim is to satisfy myself with own works.only that

Probably no need to worry about RMS levels then

TimeTraveller
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Posted : Feb 1, 2009 14:36

nope.. almost always unsatisfied and in thought of some improvement

..of course of all I focus on all whats possible inside of my collective subconscious.And rms is for quite a while there.and - 14 is really to less Id say.

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