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daniielpsy
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Posted : Jan 25, 2011 18:08:10
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im more of a goa trancer and as the title says... i got some troubles with the riffs i just cant write somthing good idk... i listen to shakta hallucinogen somethimes vibe tribe all day and i cant figure out the notes on their melodies... i dont mean to steal anyones work but even if i could figure out the notes i'll use them as a reference... any tips or anything i would be really thankfull sorry for my inglish lol  |
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Vonoom
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Posted : Jan 25, 2011 18:52
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One way I find useful for creating nice goa-ish melodies is to find a chord (or several) that you like, then make an arpeggiator like pattern by having for instance 16th notes going up and down the chord(s). Once I've got that I then move notes around within the given chords, experimenting with 1 or two octaves above and below. Once I've got something I like I then try to extend notes, put in slides, start automating things and so on till I've got something I'm satisfied with 
The key, as everyone always says hehe, is experimenting and putting the time into it 
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daniielpsy
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Posted : Jan 25, 2011 19:11
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soo i read somewhere out there that the phrygian scale is good for goa melodies but i just dont know where to go from there im certainly good at automate knobs and programming leads but the rest just doesnt work for me... let me understand what ur sayin' when i opn the piano roll, set the scale i comes a 16th long bars, u mean i set the 16th bar note and then mess around with random notes above and below the previus 16th bar note.... does what i just say even makes sense?? lol thanks in advantage if you help me haha a picture would be more understrandable
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daniielpsy
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Posted : Jan 25, 2011 22:35
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obviously im not a connosiur of music theory |
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Padmapani
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Posted : Jan 25, 2011 23:53
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such an arpeggiator like pattern he's talking about looks like this:
i use it in a goa track and it's phrygian. it doesn't have any velocity changes as i play it using phoscyon. |
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aciduss
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Posted : Jan 25, 2011 23:53
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Obviously you need to look deeper into music theory dude.
I will however try to explain a basic method to create psyriff since i struggled there time ago.
1) We will chose the Phyrigian mode as an example since it seems to be pretty popular in psy. Phyrigian is all white keys on the pianoroll starting from the E key:
2) Then we will proceed to select a couple of chords for our riff. For the record, a chord is a selection of 3 or more notes, commonly within the scale you have already selected.
For the example I selected Bb minor and E minor chords.
3) I then decompose the chords into arpeggio and try to arrange in a pleasent way as suggested by Vonoom:
I also added another E and F notes one octave higher and it sounds ok because they are part of the original chords
4) Then i add more "fill" notes (from outside the chords) to give variety, flavor and depth to the riff.
Also shorten some of the steps and changed order in other few to please my ear this is a real quicky tho, no master piece  )
Now, this is a 1bar loop so it is pretty simple and straight forward, with practice you can create more than 1bar melodies using maybe a chord for each one, less or more depending on your particular aim... make sure you read upon chord progressions, melody and harmony.
That should be something to start experimenting with.
Hope it helps.
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loki
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Posted : Jan 26, 2011 10:09
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Dude, aciduss, i could buy you a drink for responding like that, with pictures.
I have a robust command of music theory myself, but your reply on this thread reminded me of why i still frequent this forum even when it's not trance i'm producing these days.
+10 points sir. you win the internet.
Dance, even if you have nowhere to do it but your living room. ~Kurt Vonnegut
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Nomad Moon
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Posted : Jan 26, 2011 14:00
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On 2011-01-26 10:09, loki wrote:
Dude, aciduss, i could buy you a drink for responding like that, with pictures.
I have a robust command of music theory myself, but your reply on this thread reminded me of why i still frequent this forum even when it's not trance i'm producing these days.
+10 points sir. you win the internet.
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+1 very simple explanation Mr Aciddus i see a teachers talent underneath
@ daniielpsy
Search for dance midi samples there's some nice "Nuborn Psytrance" versions the come with nice arpeggios midi files, and u can see how it goes |
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aciduss
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Posted : Jan 26, 2011 16:58
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Lol, thank you guys... i'm glad to help, i spend most of the day at a sometimes boring office so if there is anything music related to do i do hehe. |
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daniielpsy
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Posted : Jan 26, 2011 18:26
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wow i posted the thread yersterday and spend all day for someone to reply xD i though i'll never get a reply lol thanx aciduss i saw you post a thread similar to this a while ago : D really helpfull thanx dude : ) i read somewhere that in the scales or chord or whatever is called the 1st the 4th and the 5th note have some kind of relationship going on and so it said that i should exploit that relationship creating melodies in which those notes are the main notes and use the rest of the notes on the scale to make some sort of transitions between the notes God i suck at inglish xD i really need to practice that riff thing : D thanks to u all dudes |
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aciduss
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Posted : Jan 26, 2011 18:57
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Hey man... no prob... scales and chords are similar but not the same, think of a scale as a stair or a set of notes for a song or a song's part then a chord is a selection of those notes (3 or more).
Yes, octaves 4th and 5th are the most harmonic tones to the root or tonic because of their mathematical relation ship:
The frequency ratios of the octave, fourth and fifth tones is simple and thus pleasant to the ear but can become boring if not mixed with other more tense (complex ratio) intervals.
Check it out:
Think of the fifth like the half of the
scale. Also, don't get confused sometimes when someone mentions fourth / fifth they mean chords not tones and are written in roman numerals.
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Now I've heard there was a secret chord
That David played, and it pleased the Lord
But you don't really care for music, do you?
It goes like this
The fourth, the fifth
The minor fall, the major lift
The baffled king composing Hallelujah
Hallelujah
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daniielpsy
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Posted : Jan 26, 2011 19:51
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aciduss
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Posted : Jan 27, 2011 03:33
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Sorry bro I'm a little below Posford
No, really it would take a lot of time for me to desipher each note on those sequences... first synth appears to be a simple saw on a two bar loop with some 32th or 64th notes ocassionally to glitch a little, after 3:00 it becomes automated or probably another synth in a higher pitch comes in with cutoff modulation this one is brigthter and metallic, perhaps some FM there.
Second video seems more complex... like square + saw and a resonant filter modulation prolly SH101 or something similar, i listen to two synths actually one is high the other is lower, also some string like synths probably featuring other notes in counterpoint.
About the riff. There is no magic recipe to craft art dude so knowledge and experience will take you there... im sorry i can't help you no more in this quest.
Like 5 years ago i struggled a lot with melodies, still original ones are hard work or pure inspiration and emotion... i have a couple of cubase projects called psymelodiesI and II and are collections of endless hours of writing attemps at melodies like the ones i admire... after a while i managed to understand a lot of stuff that only when put together would render nice melos: simple chords, altered chords, progression, arpeggio, stacatto, legato, ostinato, modulation, accidentals, scales, modes, articulation, push&pull, question/answer, counterpoint, blah blah...
Seems like a lot but in all this time I have just begun to understand this concepts, fortunately for my inner noobish musician psymelodies won't require too complex technique to craft, although a solid music knowledge will always contribute to superior production... important thing is to make it good sounding for dance(body) and mind experience.
Once you get the chord part everything is pretty simple, and well although pro melodies are so delightful and imitable try to come with your own ones.
Best way to try to copy a melody is to import track into sequencer, select the basic loop of the melodie in a more or less clean part and go figuring out each 16th by each quarter or whatever measure you feel comfortable with.
Humm... good luck with that bro.
BONUS: There are a bunch of goaish melodies MIDI files in Nuborn: Psytrance Samples packs. I learned some from looking at them.
http://www.dancemidisamples.com |
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