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dj chichke
Chichke
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Posted : Jul 20, 2009 19:20:27
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I'm quite new with music productuin and i'm working on my second track. at my first track i used loops of hihats but now i decided i want to know how to create my rhythm. i think that if i will create my rhythm i will have more control of it.
SO after i read the topic of "how to make my track sound faster" i tried the advices you have already shared but i still fill i need more knowledge for making realy good rhythm.
I've also read that someone here said that for realy good rhythm he making 30 tracks of percutions. It's sound crazy to me. When i listen to profesional's tracks i can tell i hear just 1 close hh and 1 open hh and one clap\snare.I would like to know how many layers are you all using for rhythm. and some advices for making the hh sound fit with my track and realy groovey.
If anybody know good movie on youtube or something about this thing it can be helpfull. |
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Chemogen
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Posted : Jul 20, 2009 19:51
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Just take a loop you like, look at where the hits fall and try reconstruct it was your own sounds. Recreate it exactly at first and then start taking away/adding hits until you get something you like.
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psychowave
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Posted : Jul 20, 2009 20:43
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On 2009-07-20 19:20:27, dj chichke wrote:
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I've also read that someone here said that for realy good rhythm he making 30 tracks of percutions.
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Hi man,
you can make a good rhythms with 2 channels and with 60 channels...what his say is not a rule...
Try programing your own hats and snares...and after you have a good pattern, go putting other perc elements...
I like add some delay at hats to get some groove too...
keep far from ready samples...keep your originality...
you can do like the guy said...broken the loop and learn how this is mounted..just to know how make something like that...
sorry a bad english..
Natan
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dj chichke
Chichke
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Posted : Jul 21, 2009 03:42
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Thanks guys. I would like to know also if how many layers do you use at your trakcs for ryhthm?
I used till know 1 clap. 1 close hh. 1 open hh. send the hh to delay fx channel. and 1 kind of kit that i don't know how to call on the kick at some parts of the track. do you i need to layer more? |
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dj chichke
Chichke
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Posted : Jul 21, 2009 03:50
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I tried also to make the track of the close hh with a bit delay (5-10 ms).I'm not sure if it is realy change something yet. I'ts hard to decide |
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supergroover
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Posted : Jul 21, 2009 11:45
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5-10 ms is not alot, so it can be difficult to hear indeed. Maybe add some more. Or -10 in stead of +10.
It also depends what style you make. Fullon usually has less percussion going on than progressive or technoish stuff. As has been said before: take your favourite tracks apart and see how they did it. See where they put the snare, the hihats and other percussion stuff. It takes time, but teaches you more than writing topics here.
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dj chichke
Chichke
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Posted : Jul 21, 2009 12:32
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offcourse that try to figure out things myself will improve my skills more than write topics here (and i tried and keep trying to do everything by myself) but beacause i'm still quite fresh with producing so i can learn here tricks and technics that can help me to achieve my goal faster. |
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shellbound
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Posted : Jul 21, 2009 21:33
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a lot of it has to do with varying velocities and using "ghost notes."
1) take a simple hi-hat pattern of straight 16th notes. you probably just draw it in like:
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
where H=single hi-hat of velocity 120 (for example).
now, if you take the same hi-hat pattern, and simply lower the velocity of every second hat to 100, you'll get a different feel.
HhHhHhHhHhHhHhHh
now try to reverse that:
hHhHhHhHhHhHhHhHh
or try a different pattern:
HhhhHhhhHhhhHhhhHhhh
you get the idea. if you use a sampler like battery, you can link the velocity to modulate some parameter (decay time). so now you have even more movement on the same boring pattern simply by drawing different velocities.
2) ghost notes = hits that happen occasionally and that are very quite and difficult to really hear (not in your face), but that have a huge impact on the feel of your groove and really change it if you take them away. try it with snares. you'd normally put a snare on the 2nd and 4th kick in your 1-bar loop at full velocity. now add another snare a couple of 8th notes before one at velocity of 60. listen how that changes the groove. now move it somewhere after. listen. now try both. change the velocity of one. or increase it. and listen.
this works great with other percussion elements (shakers, rides, claps, whatever).
so because of this, it's very easy to have 30 percussive samples. you either layer your hi-hats, so you have 4 or 5 different hat samples playing a similar pattern, but the velocities are different and they are eq'ed differently, so it creates a very specific feel, but you only hear 1 hi-hat pattern. or you have lots of these "ghost notes" or just things that play once every 4 bars. so just because somebody has 30 percussive samples in a track, that doesn't mean all of them will play at the same time. and choosing that perfect spot for that perfect sample is where the fun and the art is.
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dj chichke
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Posted : Jul 22, 2009 03:03
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I thought about the ghost notes. And i thought i can hear itat the pro's tracks.But now i'm sure i'm not imagined it  ...
I guess i just need to dedicate few days for it and than i will get it right. |
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aciduss
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Posted : Jul 22, 2009 08:06
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