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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Jan 12, 2013 10:58
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Ricciardo ..
Realy enjoy reading your post , 100% true ! .
1 More thing :
Lets say we produce a sound , For example - Atmosphere , 1 sound .. (Not all the atmos - One sound in the atmosphere only !) I made with 3-4-5-6 Vst's (Usualy open it in the machine when imo better) , Each one (Inside this 1 sound) get his own compressore .
So where you want to put reverb in all this hellic bomb ?
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Xsze
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Posted : Jan 12, 2013 12:25
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Also agree with Ricciardo, but don't agree with you, I guess you overlooked use of reverb.
Atmosphere digital sound from soft synth without some additional character, compressed only...just dry controlled sound, nothing else 
It's o.k to stress out the importance of controlling the sound with compressors, but replacing reverbs with them is not the same basket of fruit, topic is about reverbs, not about mixing 101
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 12, 2013 13:12
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reverb and compressor are really 2 different things, i odn t know how you replace reverb with compression, it s like replacing eq with delay to me |
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Padmapani
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Posted : Jan 12, 2013 17:18
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On 2013-01-12 13:12, PoM wrote:
reverb and compressor are really 2 different things, i odn t know how you replace reverb with compression, it s like replacing eq with delay to me
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+1
the only thing i've found that can replace reverb on some (mostly rich-sounding analog) patches is (a good!) chorus and delay. |
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astro_traveller
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Posted : Jan 12, 2013 17:18
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For the pacement of the sound .. not regarding the dynamics..
if u use .. more reverb sound goes back on the mix.. also more compression sound goes back on the mix. like that..
it is totally diffent thing but in this manner they can have same effect on the mix.
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knocz
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Posted : Jan 12, 2013 18:42
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On 2013-01-12 17:18, astro_traveller wrote:
if u use .. more reverb sound goes back on the mix.. also more compression sound goes back on the mix. like that..
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I don't quite agree with that, because it's not only about the reverb and compressor amount, but more about their settings too.
Say reverb, you can have two sounds exactly the same, playing at exactly the same spot in a mix, but if one is played in a room that just happens to leak more and give out more reverb (like a bathroom or a big fridge or garage) than another, then just the amount of reverb wont tell us all about the placement.
Usually I use the pre-delay to set this out, also playing with the diffuse and early reflections. Say you have (like in a movie) a huge thunder stuck. These things are usually extremely loud, so high compression there so it doesn't overwhelm everything, but what makes it sound and feel like it ripped the skies 20 miles away or 100 feet away is the amount of time from the original sound to the first reverb sound (the pre-delay).
Now, imagine you are in the grand canyon vs. an open field or huge salt lake and hear the thunder struck: the first will give you a huge amount of reverb; the latter will give you less reverb. You can still tell they are from an equal distance because of the reverb pre-delay, but each will sound like their own scenario.
About the compressor, more compression will make a sound use less depth space, so it wont go as loud or soft (depending on the settings). However, the "center depth" of a sound wont change, it will stay at the same spot.. it just won't be moving around to the front and back as much. I could argue "but if it doesn't go to the front and back so much, then effectively it's not so much in front, to it actually is pushed back a bit", but most of the sound will still be at the same position, and no matter how much compression you apply, you will only make it completely flat at the center of the sounds depth space, as it wont get any higher (or lower).
Compressors usually have gain knobs to compensate with the reduction, and any tweak on this parameter will change the sound placement, but this is just like a fader-> it's not the compression that's doing the placement magic here.
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davinski
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Posted : Jan 14, 2013 22:06
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knocz you described it very well, a real eye openener. every tool got some similarities with other tool, but every tool also react little different. same like flangers or very chort delays (haas). also a big difference between volume and dynamics... really got me on the: if you shout, talk, whisper at the same db it sound different(dynamics) ;-)
Boom.
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Alien Bug
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Posted : Jan 14, 2013 22:35
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ps. compressors sucks 
when i want a BIG sound, then i turn up volume
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Please dont take me wrong... but
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*i hope my text at least help you to understand, regards
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Good post but if you wrote it specifically in response to my statement, you do not need to do that. I special gave " " to make it clear that the jokes.
For me compressor can't make a big sound. Can be a part of process to do that for sure. I'm just disagree that putting compressor on every channel can make a big sound
Sure compressor and reverb are totally different things But i like the idea to replace eq with delay  I think that it is possible but only real hardcore scientist producer will try to do that http://www.beatport.com/release/cross-the-atoms/1042450
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