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astro_traveller
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Posted : Jan 10, 2013 14:30:41
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I like the sound of Roomwork from cubase. Which kind of adds to the original sound.. most of other reverb kind of kills the sound. If u have any suggestions on such reverbs please let me know.
Before, I was making separate reverb for all the tracks. Now, I make one reverb and bus all the tracks to the same fx channel, which I like it more than having separate reverb on each tracks. It kind of gives a feeling that sounds are coming from front and back in the same space.. also on the snare i use all same parameters but with the longer tail and a gate on it.
I know i should do what sounds good to the track.. I just want to know how other people are doing thier reverb so i could try them out to have more options.
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astro_traveller
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Posted : Jan 10, 2013 14:34
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Please let me know how to side chain the reverb on cubase? |
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Xsze
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Posted : Jan 10, 2013 17:00
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On 2013-01-10 14:34, astro_traveller wrote:
Please let me know how to side chain the reverb on cubase?
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In Cubase there is send channel drill for side chain, so find some compressor that have side chain implemented and rest is obvious, put it after reverb in send channel....or xfer lfo tool...vengeance multi band sudechainer..total overkill 
As for reverbs, demo the shit out of them, find the one you like....I see myself most of the times just having few different spaces/types on send channels and affecting things with most of them simultaneously 
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Jan 10, 2013 23:55
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About 'Reverb' ..
Usualy i dont use , I found other way to open my sound , Imo better one , But this is a metter of taste - You know .. Some producers dont using alot of compressor's (When i usualy work with 200 - Each track !) And/so the work with both together must be very measure and carefully .
Compressor's open the sound (No debate !) , Make it bright and larg , I put on 95% of track sound's .
And i leave my master channel vol (Always) on 0 - I realy dont belive of those nonsense of -7 , -8 , -10 ,
(And so on) - If u work right .. 'The daw is with you' belive me , You can put 300 (Or more) tools in And all be 100% no prob .
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Xsze
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Posted : Jan 11, 2013 00:55
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jonsta
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Posted : Jan 11, 2013 20:38
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Jan 11, 2013 20:57
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On 2013-01-11 20:38, jonsta wrote:
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Lets say genius .
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Alien Bug
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Posted : Jan 11, 2013 21:41
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knocz
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Posted : Jan 11, 2013 23:10
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On 2013-01-11 21:41, Alien Bug wrote:
ps. compressors sucks 
when i want a BIG sound, then i turn up volume
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Hmm... well raising the volume will make something bigger, but that's only if you have enough space, and there's a huge difference between someone speaking in front of you or yelling from a distance or whispering in your ear, even if the volume is at the same level.
Compressors can make a sound bigger without raising the volume.
And, after all, a compressor is nothing more than a highly-trained super-responsive monkey on the volume fader, responding to the input signal and reducing (or expanding) the signal according to the specified parameters. Go monkey go!
Regarding reverb, there is more documentation about it than you can actually handle.
But you (@astro_traveller) said it right: it's a better practice to reuse one reverb unit as a send channel, with 100% wet, and then you just need to use a send knob on the channel you want reverb on. 100% send to the channel will give you a 50% mix (if you want it any higher, than you can set the send as a pre send and lower the channel fader while keeping the send at 100%)
But-> you only have one reverb configured like this. Other sounds migh (and shall) need other reverb types, and you can use reverb for a ton of effects, so you'll need more stuff going on.
Think of a drum kit: you have individual samples that compose some kit you build, that came from different drum sets, recorded and processed differently, and played in different rooms. Without reverb, they will sound exactly like that: playued in separate rooms. So you use a drum room reverb, but that's probably not the best setting for some sound that you synthesized digitally, like a synth lead -> for the synth, you might use your general send reverb.
You can use (and in a lot of VST's you are probably already using) reverb units for single channels, you can have group channel reverb (like the drum kit one) and a hall reverb for your synths.
Also, if you want to have some FX on breakdowns and stuff, and want a long and low reverb, you can put it on another send channel, and automate the send whenever it's supposed to be applied.
Dont forget: a reverb is just a unit that copies the input and adds it back, like a delay or echo machine. It just makes many more small "echoes", differentiates between reflection and diffuse "echoes", and does a whole whack of things to the "echoes".
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Xsze
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Posted : Jan 12, 2013 02:03
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I expected something mind blowing like this one, but good shot
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On 2012-03-30 17:42, Cardinals Cartel wrote:
You can use Logic (For dark music) - Got some power , Up to u .
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astro_traveller
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Posted : Jan 12, 2013 04:22
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Compressors are a great processor. I think right use of the compressor shows experience of a producer.
I was Using adam p11 before.. in a smaller room. then i was sidechaining each other made more sense.. Now i use dyna audio bm15 in a bigger room. side chaining things with each other are not sounding really good. but the previously produced tracks sounds good on this speakers too.
On adam P11 reverbs were sounding awful.. i never used reverb on any tracks.. and side chaining and compression sounded really good.On bm 15, I do side chain kick and bass but not the syths and drums any more..
Also I think compressor and reverb can be used in same purpose: to give space and placement of the sound but in completely different ways.
before my philosophy was to put the kick and the snare on the front.. keep the hihatts dancing on the top.. bass bebind the kick and rest of the things tighten on top of the bass.
now If i try to do the same thing in my new set up, spacing them with side chaining each other, they sound quiet bad and reverbs sound better. But any ways the old tracks still sounds good on this set up.
I liked the example knoz gave about the drum kit sample and reverb that really makes sense.
any ways.. Now i think different set of the acoustics and speakers can make difference in mixing approaches and it takes time to get to the right mix.. unless if i treat the room acoustics.
thanks for the suggestions
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Xsze
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Posted : Jan 12, 2013 04:56
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On 2013-01-12 04:22, astro_traveller wrote:
Also I think compressor and reverb can be used in same purpose: to give space and placement of the sound but in completely different ways.
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Exactly
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Alien Bug
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Posted : Jan 12, 2013 08:53
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Jan 12, 2013 09:49
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On 2013-01-12 02:03, Xsze wrote:
On 2012-03-30 17:42, Cardinals Cartel wrote:
You can use Logic (For dark music) - Got some power , Up to u .
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But Cubase better
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Ricciardo
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Posted : Jan 12, 2013 10:24
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ps. compressors sucks
when i want a BIG sound, then i turn up volume
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Please dont take me wrong... but
that statment it only shows ignorance
. Compressor = Dynamic's, not loudness...
a compressor is the "thing" that can make a good producer create a track at 139, and make the one feel soo groovy and so punchy that you will think that is at 145, or more...
a compressor when is good and well handed can really add detail and enlight mixes, certain compressors can even add "colour" and turn more rich the sound...
a compressor can make a slower element, become punchy if you use a slow atack and fast decay...
lets say: a sound of a flute... for example
other day i was messing around, i wanted to use a flute sound as a dynamical, groovy element on a music, but i had a problem... a flute is too soft, too smoth and usualy its harder to make a flute sound fast and still make it sound like a flute...
well... a compressor saved my life and made it sound exacly as i wanted, its not about having it lowder... its about making it sound faster, or decrease its sound also faster to make more easly a groove
i think this is one of the most important things on production and still most of people tend to ignore it, so much care for "bassline" tutorials and presets, but then in what really matter´s, the thing that can solve all the issues... people is simply ignorant
*i hope my text at least help you to understand, regards
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