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Respect?

Lyri
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Posted : May 30, 2003 12:31
Well, most of the posts here are about new releases of new artists,
or at least about the ambient that is attached to psytrance or has any connection with it.
But what about the older and veteran artists?
Those who has been making ambient for years by now, but aren't mentioned or appreciated here?

I reckon Edgar Froese, Residents, Pete Namlook, Robert Rich, Bill Laswell, Zakir Hussain,
Biosphere, Brian Eno, Philip Glass, David Moufang, Dr. Atmo, Geir Jenssen, Klaus Schulze,
Atom Heart, Vangelis, Ian Boddy, Zbigniew Preisner and more,
should be more recpected and known due to their great works in the ambient industry.
Obviously the new artists put a lot of effort in their music and make beautiful music as well, and of course they contribute just as much as the older fellas;
But it seems as if they get more respect and recognition than the earlier ambient creators.
These fellows have been in the area for years already, and I don't see them mentioned around that much, if at all.
It's a shame, and I reckon that music has no age, it never gets old.
If the music is good -- then it is not because it's new or made with super technology -- but because it makes you FEEL good, and feel the music.

I'd love it if you share your thoughts with me.
cheers.
Zombi
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Posted : May 30, 2003 12:40
u r absolutely right, now i listen to tropez rec collection 1 that is about slow full of soul techno, kinda good atmospheric music, the production awful, i enjoy big time.
          Believe your soul !
traveller
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Posted : May 30, 2003 12:47
well i just don't happen to like the stuff that has been and is released by those guys..
that's why i don't talk about them..           "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
- Larry Niven
Lyri
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Posted : May 30, 2003 12:56
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On 2003-05-30 12:47, traveller wrote:
well i just don't happen to like the stuff that has been and is released by those guys..
that's why i don't talk about them..


These were just examples. There are other veteran artists that are unknown at all.
There must be loads of good older artists that none of heard of.. obviously it'll always be like that -- u can't know everything, but there were some 'ambient gods' back then that must be quite... nothing, at the moment.
NOVA (Ultimae Records)
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Posted : May 30, 2003 16:03
I totally, 100% agree with you Lyri. How ambient music would sound without Tangerine Dream or Brian Eno? Actually Mr Eno first used the word "ambient" related to music compositions .

No past = No future

Wider/deeper past = Brighter future

(I mean musically of course in this case)           ::Memento:Audere:Semper::

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John
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Posted : May 30, 2003 17:41
I agree... there s rich history of chill/ambient - but don't agree that nobody talks about it - there have been quite a few discussons about old chill out stuff on here - just take a look back in the archives...
Lyri
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Posted : May 31, 2003 11:50
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On 2003-05-30 17:41, John wrote:
but don't agree that nobody talks about it - there have been quite a few discussons about old chill out stuff on here - just take a look back in the archives...


I certainly did not say that NOBODY talks about it. Obviously people do talk about it, look at us!
Besides, I've been here for quite a while and I've noticed very few threads about the roots of ambient, yet, there are always new threads about current ambient.
Like Nova said, no past --> no future.
What I mean, John, is that the new artists take the place of the veteran ones, and people tend to forget where it all came from.
BUT, I didn't say no one gives respect, but that most of the people just don't know or don't care.

cheers.
Kaz
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Posted : May 31, 2003 13:39
Totally agree here - ambient is much bigger than most of the psy-heads think it is.           http://www.myspace.com/Hooloovoo222
John
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Posted : May 31, 2003 16:20
Lyri - obviously from the Gong quote there you may be of a similar age to me!!

One thing that does worry me a little is when you get people who only listen to chill out stuff on psy trance labels - obvioulsy there is some great stuff coming out - but as you said - the history and roots go well beyond this.

Personally I think main room music has become too rigid and defined over the lest few years and people forget that psy-trance is only a sub genre of trance which is sub genre of Techno (I suppose) which is a sub genre of electronic music which is only a part of dance music as a whole... theres a lot of good psychedelic dance music out there that isn't whats now called psy-trance.

A thread further down went into a lengthy discusison about how chill out rooms provide an opportunity to play a wide range of music and I like the way you can play a 30 yr old tune (or older) next to a new tune from Morocco next to a track from Simon Posford etc.

I think maybe a lot comes down to age - when you are younger - the haircut is more important than the music and as you get older - the music is more important than the haircut!! By which I mean when you are younger you tend to be into one sort of msuic and thats how you define yourself - and as you get older you either get stuck listening to the same old tunes or you become a lot more open minded.

But I'll stop rambling before I sound too much like someones grandad!!
Lyri
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Posted : May 31, 2003 18:59
I absolutely agree with you, John.
Aside from one thing -- a person's character usually doesn't change among the years, unless something tragic happens.
Some people think their looks is more important than music, and not because they're 15 or 47.
I'm not one of those, obviously, but I sure know that when someone's older he usually cares less about popularity and so, and I assume that's what u meant.
I am 17, yet, I do listen to Gong and even earlier stuff.
Then I'm probably not your age and not quite similar to the common teenagers.
But that's me, and I don't give a **** about my haircut because it won't get me anywhere,
unlike music that makes me happy, and that's all it takes.

Now I'm the one who's rambling, but the bottom line is that's you're quite right about the chill out variety and about the psy being only a sub genre.
But as for the age thing.. well.. I'm not sure I agree with you.

Cheers
Itay
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Posted : May 31, 2003 20:06
i've got only 5 words to say here...

"Drunken Mozart in The Desert"!!

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