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yossi
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Posted : Jul 6, 2003 22:48
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pr0fane
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Posted : Jul 6, 2003 22:57
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yossi
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Posted : Jul 6, 2003 23:17
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i think i saw the movie like 8-9 times...
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traveller
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Posted : Jul 6, 2003 23:50
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well i think this movie totally sucks..
anyhow.. the other movie the dude directed "pi" is pretty fu%&#!! good..
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Anak
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VertigOA
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Posted : Jul 7, 2003 17:42
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On 2003-07-06 23:17, yossi wrote:
i think i saw the movie like 8-9 times...
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Heh, I think i saw it 18-19 times.
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yossi
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Posted : Jul 7, 2003 21:56
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im right behind ya...
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Pavel
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Posted : Jul 7, 2003 22:05
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BTW This Aronofsky dude that directed Requiem and Pi is workin' on Batman 5.
There goes another talent
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Kaz
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Posted : Jul 7, 2003 22:25
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The move to Batman isn't all that far away, since I doubt this person has the guts to produce something like American Beauty, let alone deeper movies. Depth is NOT this director's thing. Requiem for a Dream was a movie made just to build up for shock value at the end scene, and make it have cheap artistic aspirations (the TV show was the only part that had any value in the movie, the rest was just cheap).
Sorry, I just can't stand the fact that people say "ooh, Requiem's so good" all the time.
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VertigOA
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Posted : Jul 7, 2003 22:38
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" Requiem for a Dream was a movie made just to build up for shock value at the end scene"
Im sorry you did not see deeper into the movie than that, but your way off
I enjoy the entire movie - it's cinametogrophy, humor, music and wonderful acting. Not to mention an intelligent story on all kinds of addiction.
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VertigOA
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Posted : Jul 7, 2003 22:42
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And he also DID write a script for BATMAN: YEAR ONE , but there are NO plans on making this a movie. And there is no decision on what the next batman movie will be.
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Kaz
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Posted : Jul 7, 2003 22:47
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The acting is mediocre, the humor isn't anything special, the cinematography is good. The story is an overgeneralization using extreme stereotypes in order to not make people notice the thin plot. And yes, I did try to give it a shot.
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Wako Jako
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Posted : Jul 7, 2003 23:51
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imo its the best movie ever made.
or at least the best for me.
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Pavel
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Posted : Jul 8, 2003 01:46
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Kaz i don't know what you are talking about.
It's a great movie from all the aspects. The actor that played the mom was simply amazing she was nominated for Oscar, the music by Klint Mansell and Kronos Quartet was amazing, the edit was full of thought and the directing was flawless. Not the best movie i've seen but on my top10 for sure.
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Jason (LyTe)
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Posted : Jul 8, 2003 10:02
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After hearing that this was the be-all and end-all of cinema, I was eager to watch this movie. This was over six months ago. I was immediately displeased with it. I've since then seen it again, and my opinion has not changed at all.
This is not an amazing work of art. This is transparent, amateur filmmaking. Let me explain.
First up, the whole basis of the movie is to be shocking. It tries to drill its point square into your face. Normally I haven't got a problem with this, but it does such a poor job of it, that it ends up being more laughably insulting than shocking or profound. It depicts the crushing of the dreams of four individuals, all basically in the same way: drug abuse. Well, that's grounds for a powerful film. Unfortunately, the audience is never invited to actually build feelings for the characters. These aren't the kind of people you are going to actually care about. Their dialogue is curt and robotic, and they rarely express anything more than indifference and disrespect for their peers. They are machines. This is not really the fault of the actors -- at least Leto, Connelly, and Burstyn have all given good performances elsewhere. The acting isn't amazing though. I think Leto's delivery of many of his lines could have been a lot less forced.
Anyhow, their lives and dreams are monotonous and uninspired. Harry aspires to be with Marion, and she likewise aspires to be with him. We don't really know what Tyrone aspires to do. And Sara aspires to be (drum roll) ...on an INFOMERCIAL. Man oh man, these people have real heart-warming dreams. I know I'll be sobbing when they are crushed by the EVIL drugs.
And so they are! Indeed, as a little hint of things to come, their short-term dreams become drug related. But, as you probably predicted, this leads to all sorts of trouble. I won't get into it, because on paper, this is a really, really boring movie.
So... when their dreams are crushed, who cares? I certainly didn't. I was about as moved as I am by my computer's pleas for me to save a document. The "climax" is about as moving as a cinder block. We see Marion is a crackwhore, Harry is now missing a crucial limb, Sara is completely messed up and in the hospital, and sure enough, Tyrone is in prison. I mean, crap, I was really hoping to see that infomercial.
It may be unobvious why this is bad film-making. It does a good job of faking it. To make this more clear, let me compare it to a scene from the amazingly directed Se7en. Not a movie I entirely enjoyed, but I did very thoroughly appreciate how well it was directed.
In this scene, a whore has been murdered in a most unpleasant way. We never actually see this, but instead, fear is projected through the murderer. He was forced at gunpoint to perform this murder. We are shown how completely messed up he is. He's wrapped in a blanket and is ghost white. Screaming at random, sweating, and so forth. Very basic yet important psychology states that we are not afraid of what we see, but we are afraid of what we see others being afraid of. If this weren't the case, mice would only start being afraid of snakes after they were eaten. Would you have fearful associations with things like skulls, if not for childhood television?
Fincher has done his homework, and he directs this scene to perfection. And so, this scene is terrifying. It sticks with you well afterwards, and the movie even gives you a bit of a break to recuperate. He also manages to keep the scene completely tasteful. It is not offensive, just powerful.
Now, compare this with Requiem's climax. You will probably begin to understand why I say this movie is a joke. We are blatantly shown Marion in all her whoredom. I reiterate: so what? We are given no reason nor opportunity to care for her. I guess Aronofsky knows this, because he clearly tries very hard to make it tastelessly offensive. Sorry, not even references to anal sex are going to save this one. It's dead on arrival.
Then, Harry loses his arm due to an infection. Again, so what? All he used it for was to get himself into this mess anyways. Frankly, I think he's better off without it. Oh, and he lost his girlfriend or something. Well, I would care if he had ever expressed any sort of believable affection for her. They were more codependant than loving.
Tyrone is barely even a character. He feels like he was written in mid-production to satisfy some sort of racial equality condition. His fate is the least moving of them all.
Sara ends up in the hospital. That's lovely! She's well on her way to getting better. In fact, I imagine it's been long enough already. She is probably back to being a functioning member of society.
I won't go into specifics, but there were a number of smaller things which bothered me. Technical inaccuracies with regards to the drugs portrayed, sensationalism at its best with all the splitscreens, fast cuts, and so forth, generally obnoxious camera work. These little things kept recurring, every time becoming more and more irritating.
Personally, I feel Aronofsky lacks the ability to produce enjoyable or profound movies, so instead he opts to create movies about which people will think, "Wow! That really sucked, but it looked like it could have been deep, so if I say I liked it, then people will think I'm deep!" Thus, people reccomend, he collects, ad infinitum.
Just a thought.
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