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vikuna29
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Posted : Jul 4, 2004 16:15
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Please don't delete, this thread is fascinating!!!!
This is a piece from another thread entitled "no dj party" which evolved into something rather interesting. It is about an automatic trance party defined in terms of measurements of human emotions and physical observations. It ultimately replaces the real time DJ with a system that more accurately and consistently "reads" people!!!
This is great!!! What an idea... Whenever you feel like it, you just go into this dark room and the music is playing sensored by the emotions of the people who are there...
There are several promblems with this theory though. Eventually you will want to go to the "auto parties" where the music being played is the one that you like the most. Because of the constant input of all the people there, this would be optimally achieved if the people there all like the same style of music (or give the same readings by the measurement methods). And here is where it becomes a bit complicated... In order to determine which songs produce which reactions there must be patterns that one can study which are of course observations of previously collected data. Now, the question becomes, how do you asses human response accurately enough in order to create a more enjoyable listening experience? So for example, person 1 goes to "auto party A" and hears track x and reacts sensorily and emotionally a certain way, described in detail within the following parameters: dancing/smiling/temperature/heartbeat/energy/etc.
How does this then translate into input into the following track, or more specifically, what will be the code to apply a certain reaction to a certain following tracks. Better said, what are the qualities of each track, how will they be assessed, qualified, quantified and linked to the human feedback in order to produce some sort of relationship and as a result alter the course of the mix??
Once this hurdle is crossed, if at all, the underlying question always ends up in a very simple concept... what is the purpose?? what are we trying to achieve?? What kind of emotions and reactions are we trying to deliver through all these products??
One can go further by saying that we want people to enjoy the music to the maximum extent possible. That is, there should be no other sonic combination at that point in time which will bring he/she more joy. This is a BIG question.
Setting this aside for a moment, what happens if that person 1 is in a good, bad, indifferent, suicidal mood? How do you account for the variations in peoples emotional/sensory reactions which are influenced by external factors out of your control? Not to mention, how do you asses track recognition into this formula?? Chemicals, booze, lighting, etc... the possibilities are endless...
Eventually, if this is carries throuogh somehow, you will find a party where every single track that they play you will enjoy to death.. (Wow, I'm definitely looking forward to that one, it has never happened).
A party where everyone is having near-orgasms with every track and could not be more content in that period of time. Something to look forward to!!! Not to mention the type of chicks that will be there!!! (if any of course) oouuuuuuffff!!!! now that's an incentive!!!!!
PEACE!!!!!
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nobody_4
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Posted : Jul 4, 2004 16:45
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First people download music free of charge and now it seem some are fasinated with the idea to replace the Dj's with automated Dj's (computers). What's next? To replace the liveacts too with automated livesets and a hologram of the artists/bands? Where does it end? The only ones that benefit from this are the organisers (more fat pockets). No one else! And especially not the artists/bands/Dj's and also not the people buying tickets. It will be a very boring and uninteresting form of partying with no nerve.
To me there's no way that you'll get the same vibe and communication between a computer and the people on the floor no matter how many "sensors" you put up to "read" people's emotions.
And one more comment. No matter how much "killer" music such a party would generate on the floor there will always be as many different kind of opinions about the music as there will be people attending such a party. You will NEVER be able to satisfy everyone. So the idea is already at that point DEAD 
However a DJ will be able to "read" people and take most people on the floor on a journey that no machine or pre-recorded set will be able to.
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Posted : Jul 4, 2004 20:30
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I have another idea, a party without guests 
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Posted : Jul 4, 2004 22:38
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vikuna29
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Posted : Jul 5, 2004 16:20
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I second that motion for forum without idiots!!
I can't stop laughing.... lol!!
Wow, these boards are really emotional and personal...
ITS JUST AN IDEA DOOD!! RELAX!!
Dear Kris, I believe your post is quite misleading. If you assume that all people who attend parties, everybody has different opinions, then how do you explain the occurrence of parties where they only play house, trance, breaks, hip hop, jazz, etc. etc. Doesn't this give you a vague idea that maybe these people are there because they have similar taste??? And furthermore, why could you not then take that same concept one step further and analyze the patterns of taste within these parties.
Hey Kwark, no one is taking your job man.. You can still mix for whoever you want. It is true that in this hypothetical scenario, the dj would be there no more.. On the other hand, you need a group of people such as artist, dj's, and organizers to orchestrate this system. I find that pretty interesting myself, and I am also a DJ..
Nevertheless, there's too many dj's anyways... Everybody and their mother is a dj!!!!
Peace!!
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Triton
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Posted : Jul 6, 2004 03:59
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Nevertheless, there's too many dj's anyways... Everybody and their mother is a dj!!!!
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sorry man but youre wrong in this, a lot of people self calls as dj, but very few are real djs, with the skills of reading people the skills on the cdjs and the contacts for the music, gigs and everything...
nowadays the dj/live act concepts are so underrated, thx to the guys who dont show any kind of respect for the artists, first not buying original cds and now having the creepy idea of taking away the only way of making money of some artists: live apereances....
how do you think artists will live of if people dont buy cds and promoters dont book them?
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vikuna29
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Sorry buddy, but I'm NOT wrong. Who died and made you king so as to judge which dj is a "real" dj and which one is not? You might have a different opinion. In no educated world does that make me or anybody else wrong buddy.
Furthermore, I don't see how your post has anything to do with the topic of the thread.
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Basilisk
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Posted : Jul 6, 2004 18:15
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You can't have technoshamanism without the shaman. It will be many years before technology catches up with the innate abilities of humankind to weave stories from the ether for the delight of their fellows.
Let this one die.
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Posted : Jul 6, 2004 23:31
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Nevertheless, there's too many dj's anyways... Everybody and their mother is a dj!!!!
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sorry man but youre wrong in this, a lot of people self calls as dj, but very few are real djs, with the skills of reading people the skills on the cdjs and the contacts for the music, gigs and everything...
nowadays the dj/live act concepts are so underrated, thx to the guys who dont show any kind of respect for the artists, first not buying original cds and now having the creepy idea of taking away the only way of making money of some artists: live apereances....
how do you think artists will live of if people dont buy cds and promoters dont book them?
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Man, djing isn't something special. I can dj my brother is dj, but is ok or not.
I was on alot parties with 'pro' djs, they suck.
On other parties we put a pc in the forest, a little PA and who some guys played the music they love with some 'simple' tools like traktor or atomix. And these parties where the real parties, they rocked.
A live act is something special.
But djing is simple as cooking, you can learn it fast, with some good recipes.
peace out 
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