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Pavel
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Posted : Sep 22, 2004 00:04
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Yes yes, you are right. Once again.
I take back my doubts. Do continue to share with us your pearls of wisdom.
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phunster
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Posted : Sep 26, 2004 15:46
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In Italy the Law states :
You must own the install CDs of the application you use . Period .
Well, if you don't share your HD and police don't knock at your door, you could be a damn happy hacker !
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art
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Posted : Sep 27, 2004 00:41
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Yes i agree, use cracked software while you are learning, while you are getting to learn the electronic music. After all what if you bought fruity and hated it and then you loved your cracked cubase? Who knows, i agree once you make money you buy the programs you use, because you help the company then, and you too. It is a hard thing trying to start making music, you have enough worries trying to get hardware... |
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bLv
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Posted : Oct 1, 2004 15:55
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If Spectrasonic have an inaudible (> ±20kHz) "spike"/"peak" in their "unregistered" loops, say at 40kHz then when you export to CD quality (44.1kHz) it will dissappear. So how can they "detect" it then??? I reckon its bollocks!
Nyquist's Law... "states that a sound must be sampled at least TWICE its highest analog frequency in order to extract all of the information from the bandwidth and accurately represent the original acoustic energy." Courtesy of Wikipedia...
ie only frequencies below ±22kHz can be present in the final mix.
Just a thought.... 
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orik
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Posted : Oct 1, 2004 17:19
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i completely agree, besides, these
frequencys cant be sampled because they are filterd out by oversampling and decimation
to filter out the aliasing frequencys...
there for they wont be sampled in the first place!
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Oct 1, 2004 18:41
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pavel,
there is a lot of stuff you can do that is not detectable with either ears or spectral analyzers.,
you could, for instance, code information in the soundfield.,
you could make subtle phase coding stuff.,
you could vary the amplitude in smaller steps than humans can perceive (but statistical analysis would detect it)
you could vary the characteristics of almost any part of the algorithm and be able to detect it later.,
for instance, you could drop a few samples once in a while from the oscilators., noone would hear it but if you know what the oscilators SHOULD produce it's easy to extract information from the missing samples
i could go on and on.,
there is just so many ways to hide information,
RF experience you got in the army propably wont help you so much (unless you worked for the intelligence and have deep crypto knowledge and stuff)
they wont tell you stuff they dont want you to know.,
anyway,
not saying you could not detect everything or you dont know your stuff.,
but i can tell you that you wont get far with a spectral anayzer when it comes to modern techinques for embeding information in signals.,
greets.,
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Oct 1, 2004 19:42
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sector666,
" and if this spike is below the smallest Q your analyzer can show ...it can be 1/100000 of 1hz "
no it cant be.,
at least not with digital audio signals,
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Pavel
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Posted : Oct 3, 2004 20:41
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On 2004-10-01 18:41, ZilDoggo wrote:
pavel,
there is a lot of stuff you can do that is not detectable with either ears or spectral analyzers.,
you could, for instance, code information in the soundfield.,
you could make subtle phase coding stuff.,
you could vary the amplitude in smaller steps than humans can perceive (but statistical analysis would detect it)
you could vary the characteristics of almost any part of the algorithm and be able to detect it later.,
for instance, you could drop a few samples once in a while from the oscilators., noone would hear it but if you know what the oscilators SHOULD produce it's easy to extract information from the missing samples
i could go on and on.,
there is just so many ways to hide information,
RF experience you got in the army propably wont help you so much (unless you worked for the intelligence and have deep crypto knowledge and stuff)
they wont tell you stuff they dont want you to know.,
anyway,
not saying you could not detect everything or you dont know your stuff.,
but i can tell you that you wont get far with a spectral anayzer when it comes to modern techinques for embeding information in signals.,
greets.,
aka.
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Actually, i served in army intelligence, as a maintenance technician in the unit that was responsible for recieving enemy transmissisions and decyphering them. As you might guess in most of the cases their signals are much more cyphered and hidden than anything that you'll see in civillian market. For sure not some advanced technology that some VST developer would use, as big as it might be. And i know that even Steinberg (the mother and the father of VST technology) is rather small company. But that's not the point. I wasn't going to find any hidden signals using only simple spectrum analyzer. Usually the gear that was used is much more complicated (ultra sensitive and lo-noise pre-amplifiers, hi-res digital recievers, mainframes , and mostly, very talented people, which i wasn't one of them. I was merely a system technician.
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Oct 3, 2004 21:40
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"ultra sensitive and lo-noise pre-amplifiers, hi-res digital recievers, mainframes , and mostly, very talented people,"
hehe.,., NOW yer talkin!
wish i was one of those talented ppl crypto always had a strange appeal to me,.
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Pavel
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Posted : Oct 3, 2004 22:10
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On 2004-10-03 21:40, ZilDoggo wrote:
"ultra sensitive and lo-noise pre-amplifiers, hi-res digital recievers, mainframes , and mostly, very talented people,"
hehe.,., NOW yer talkin!
wish i was one of those talented ppl crypto always had a strange appeal to me,.
greets,
aka.,
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As i figured it out, you either born with it and see logical patterns within a line of long numbers or you just do something else.
Cryptography is art. And you have to born with it, or you'll just have to work very hard to get there. BTW, you should check out this book, if the issue interests you:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0385495323/qid=1096833581/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/002-2157296-6966464?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
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Dimitri
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Posted : Oct 3, 2004 22:30
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Aren't these guys from Beautiful Mind movie ? |
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Oct 5, 2004 15:19
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thnks for the info
greets.,
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Pavel
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Posted : Oct 5, 2004 19:19
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On 2004-10-05 15:19, ZilDoggo wrote:
thnks for the info
greets.,
aka.,
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What info?
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Oct 5, 2004 21:56
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info about the book .,
greets.,
aka., |
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Pavel
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Posted : Oct 5, 2004 21:58
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On 2004-10-05 21:56, ZilDoggo wrote:
info about the book .,
greets.,
aka.,
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Oh, cool, it's a good one
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