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Freeflow
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Posted : Nov 10, 2009 04:23
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On 2009-11-09 18:53, soulfood wrote:
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On 2009-11-09 11:03, makus wrote:
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On 2009-11-09 10:24, *eLliSDee* wrote:
i don't think getting very close to such sound in mixing stage is possible.
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well, actually that is possible and the track needs to sound tight, dense and well-balanced right after mixing it. during mastering process the biggest audible change is loudness maximization; in most cases mix, levels, balance are not changed (and not intended to be changed).
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Totally.
In the production and mixing stage you have far more influence over making everything sound great than the mastering engineer will.
There's plenty of released mastered music that still sounds like shit.
I find having mastered music to compare to is a great advantage because it makes me push myself that much further, rather than thinking "hmm... that low end isn't QUITE tight enough... but that other guy can sort that out.
I learnt so much by cutting a kick and bass only section of a nicely produced track and using analyzers to try and get as close to the same balance.
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yeah thats one of the secrets, making sure everything is nice and tight, cutting the length of sounds(mostly bass, kick and percussion) instead of thinking cutting Low freqs on the EQ will make it tighter...
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 10, 2009 05:17
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yes tigher cause everytime you use a eq the frequencies are delayed , some say it s not noticeable but with kick and bassline juste a 1 ms delayed and the sound is less tight , i m not sure if it s true but i have read a hp filter with a 12db/octave at 50 Hz produce a phase shift introducing already few ms of delay at that frequencie ( if the timing of the bassline is good with the kick without any hp filter,then turning it on just on the bassline you can cleary hear that delay)with these delayed frequencies you get a less tight sound cause not all the freqs are delayed by the same time (you can a/b with a linear phase eq ona bassline for example to hear more easily what i m talking about , on those all the freqs are delayed by the same amount but they have other artifacts) |
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vipal
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Posted : Nov 10, 2009 05:50
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what artifacts have lineair phase Eq´s? Normally with a low cut on bass with them i hear some more clarity but very little. never heard it doing something like phasing or delaying. but maybe i am not aware of other aspects that can be influenced by lin phase eq |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Nov 10, 2009 06:00
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Interesting, is it just the freqs you cut from that get affected..
So cutting from 50hz with 12dB slope will make Those freq´s that you attenuate get a delay..
according to phase shifting? why this phaseshifting occur? cause you take away information from the sound? Hmm please clear this up in a simple way if possible... this makes even more interesting in making good sounds from start and also choosing good tools that have good algorithms...
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Freeflow
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Posted : Nov 10, 2009 06:21
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 10, 2009 06:25
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On 2009-11-10 05:50, vipal wrote:
what artifacts have lineair phase Eq´s? Normally with a low cut on bass with them i hear some more clarity but very little. never heard it doing something like phasing or delaying. but maybe i am not aware of other aspects that can be influenced by lin phase eq
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with linear phase, i rarely used them so i dont know much but you get pre ringing, you can see it when bouncing a file,at the start of the audio wavforme there is something hapening , it might sound bad depending the source or the freq you cut and boost maybe i don t know.. also sometimes these eq sound very dull on some sounds) |
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 10, 2009 06:34
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On 2009-11-10 06:00, Freeflow wrote:
Interesting, is it just the freqs you cut from that get affected..
So cutting from 50hz with 12dB slope will make Those freq´s that you attenuate get a delay..
according to phase shifting? why this phaseshifting occur? cause you take away information from the sound? Hmm please clear this up in a simple way if possible... this makes even more interesting in making good sounds from start and also choosing good tools that have good algorithms...
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i m not sure, don t remember much but eq use phase shift to boost or attenuate frequencies,also these phase shift can make the sounds more toghther in a mix but cause the freq are not delayed all the same you can loose definition (sometimes i find in the low end linear phase can work better cause timing is crucial to get it tight)
a eq switchable to linear phase just for the selected band is good so you can see what artifacts you like the most for the sound |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Nov 10, 2009 06:54
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Thanks PoM ill do my homework 
cheers
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 10, 2009 07:04
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in my old room it was very noticeable , i never used hp filter there to cut my bassline it was sounding horrible or i had to cut the kick too to still have a good timing between the 2 , i guess that why ido and few others said in the forum they avoid using hp and lp filters on bassline but some producers use them and have great sound...( you can still adjust the timing of the bassline with the track delay ) there is many way to get things rights |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Nov 10, 2009 07:16
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On 2009-11-10 07:04, PoM wrote:
in my old room it was very noticeable , i never used hp filter there to cut my bassline it was sounding horrible or i had to cut the kick too to still have a good timing between the 2 , i guess that why domestic and few other said in the forum they avoid using hp and lp filters on bassline
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i seldom Hp, maybe if you need and want to Hp you can do it on a groupchannel with both kick and bass... but i guess that will sound thin, though you can probably boost the shit out the track, hehe..
ill keep an ear out for hearing this..
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 10, 2009 07:22
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yes but like you said ,no need to cut the kick with eq ,just with the lenght you can set the amount of bass but maybe i should try to experiment with that ,cuting both, i remember i had good result.right now i use synth for bassline that dont need any cut to avoid all these problems , just a shelf or peak filter it s more transparent, phase shift is smaller and i noticed just using a hp filter on the bassline i can loose lot of headroom depending the synth,not sure it s a big deal but if i can avoid that whynot(that loose of heardroom could be what make the track to distort more at mastering ) |
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Tomos
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Posted : Nov 11, 2009 10:12
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On 2009-11-06 22:55, makus wrote:
You guys will bite me but Simon Posford is still #1 in my chart.
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No way! Who doesn't like this?
He spent years working in Virgin recording studios, mixing and producing bands until he turned his hand to writing his own music. Since Hallucinogen in '96 he's done nothing but improve. I'd give my legs to spend a day chatting and shadowing him.
Not just the songs, but the production (Shpongle, Younger Brother) makes this excellent reference. |
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gutter
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Posted : Nov 11, 2009 10:34
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the best mixes ive heard the last two years comes from a guy from israel named Nervatekk, which happens to like his music very much..just listen to his sound on your speakers and see what i mean, its fucking huge,fat and warm more than any other artist, even the big old names imo.. also best mixes i hear from most of the Boshke Beats artists, also XDream are no1 in the sound, huge, fat and warm
(but most of us will never get our hands on the gear these ppl work with.. unfortunately)
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Nov 11, 2009 11:54
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On 2009-11-11 10:12, Tomos wrote:
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On 2009-11-06 22:55, makus wrote:
You guys will bite me but Simon Posford is still #1 in my chart.
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No way! Who doesn't like this?
He spent years working in Virgin recording studios, mixing and producing bands until he turned his hand to writing his own music. Since Hallucinogen in '96 he's done nothing but improve. I'd give my legs to spend a day chatting and shadowing him.
Not just the songs, but the production (Shpongle, Younger Brother) makes this excellent reference.
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i must admit a Hallucinogen song called Transpotter(i dont know if named correct because i copied from a friend) was the 1st song that made me love psytrance..
no doubt this guy knows how to weave 10 instruments,at once, cleanly into each other.
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PsyGalaXy
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Posted : Nov 11, 2009 19:42
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