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Recording Synths - Levels?

willsanquil
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Posted : Jul 25, 2013 21:49:50
Hey folks, when you record your synths into your DAW, how hot do you record at? I'm a super novice when it comes to recording stuff, so my only rule right now is...oh, I hit red, that's bad. Any info would be appreciated.            If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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PoM
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Posted : Jul 25, 2013 22:25
it s recomended to not record to hot for sound quality.. but depends converters..and the difference might be very little.. but less than -6 peak i guess is fine and safe

i don t like to boost level in the daw and rise noise.. make sure to record loud enough for the mix

willsanquil
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Posted : Jul 25, 2013 23:14
my initial assumption was 'record as hot as possible without going red' but apparently that's more of an analog 'fighting the noise floor' technique...

So apparently in the digital world recording at a lower volume with the ability to cleanly amplify/boost it later is preferred.            If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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Posted : Jul 26, 2013 00:07
yep you have to see what give you best noise floor if the ms20 is a bit noisy and it annoy you.. noise aside the range between -6/-10 db peaks is recomended for best recording..but it s arguable depending converters.. but it s safe zone..
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Posted : Jul 26, 2013 00:26
My gain staging is as folows.
Mix the kick at -10dB.
Then when I record synths, I have their output at full, oscillators at max (if I want them to slightly overdrive the VCF as well).
Then I only up the soundcard's input gain to roughly get to where the synth part is going to be mixed according to the kick, in a way to not use unnecessary input gain from the soundcard and induce more noise.

          
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Babaluma
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Posted : Jul 26, 2013 12:40
Around -18 dBfs average RMS, with no clipping, is pretty safe and should sound great, as long as you are recording in 24 bit.           http://hermetechmastering.com : http://www.discogs.com/artist/Gregg+Janman : http://soundcloud.com/babaluma
willsanquil
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Posted : Jul 26, 2013 20:40
I feel like a cool kid, I can use the word Gain Staging now and actually maybe know what I'm talking about

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woodster77
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Posted : Jul 30, 2013 02:16
the volume you go into filters and amps has a lot to do with the shape of the sound as well, so id imagine every different sound needs a litte adjustment to make it bloom,

a key part of the MS 20 sound as well dont you think           Â°Â°Â°ACTS 4:12°°°°
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Posted : Jul 30, 2013 23:52
Source as hot as possible if outboard gear, minimise converter noise...           Upavas - Here And Now (Sangoma Rec.) new EP out Oct.29th, get it here:
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Posted : Jul 31, 2013 10:45
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On 2013-07-30 23:52, Upavas wrote:
Source as hot as possible if outboard gear, minimise converter noise...




It depends what levels your converters are calibrated too. Most professional analogue gear is designed to work best (flattest frequency response, best balance between noise and clipping), at 0dBVU, which is around -18dBFS with most converters. So blasting things near to 0dBFS into analogue gear is likely to overload it somewhat, depending on the gear. Talking average levels here, not peaks.
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