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Recording Electric quitar....?
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Scrambled Headz
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Posted : Jul 31, 2008 00:31:53
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ola 
im planning to record some electric quitars tomorrow and im supposed to use a small amplifier and a dynamic mic that the studio has...
im not the quitarist so i dont know what is used for this kind of recordings...all i think i know is that i should be using a condenser mic...
cause dynamics are for vocals...correct..?
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vegetal
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Posted : Jul 31, 2008 00:44
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Nop, standard when it comes to recording guitar is Shure SM-57, play around with the angle of the mic to find suitable character. What style are we talking on the sound? 4x12 Speaker with a Mesa amp?
One more thing you can do is to use one dynamic mic and one condenser mic, then place the condenser mic like 20-30 cm behind the dyn-mic so you create a freq canceling due to the phase around 2-3 Khz.
Dynamics aren´t only for vocals, depends on what you want to achieve with your sound and what suits the vocalists, some voices are better of with dyn mics and some are better of with condenser or even band-mics
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Scrambled Headz
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Posted : Jul 31, 2008 00:54
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well all we got is a dynamic but i dont remember the model...good thing ill be able to use it still..
about the style dont know exactly ..we will be messing around 155bpm with some melodies and power chords(hopefully we wont blast the mic  )
4x12 Speaker with a Mesa amp? .......
nowhere near that technical to have a clue on what you mean  
thanx for the tips  !
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vegetal
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Posted : Jul 31, 2008 01:44
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Perhaps you should take a look at Amplitube Metal instead or buy a Pod XT with the metal pack, cause you will record a distorded guitar right?
By 4x12 speaker i mean a speaker with four 12 inch woofers, Mesa i mean Mesa Boogie which is one fat tube amplifier used by alot of metal guitarists.
Blasting a mic? lol you probably end up blowing the speaker before that happens.
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Scrambled Headz
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Posted : Jul 31, 2008 10:10
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Posted : Jul 31, 2008 17:18
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i also play metal guitar, mesa boogie is a little expensive^^
why not output from small amp into soundcard directly?
i did that before, but the result was really f***ed up... but i dont know why. anyone knows?
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Posted : Jul 31, 2008 17:43
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soundcard (with pre-amp...?) --> guitar rig
i know it's not very pro. but for some distorted psy guitars it works fine imo. |
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Luis M.
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Posted : Jul 31, 2008 19:14
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quick comentary on mics:
Dynamic mikes can be used to record instruments individually, they pick up the sound directly, whereas condenser can be used for the ambient, they pick up the sound in a general way..
This is how i was tought by my teacher...
we have recorded a guitar in the studio having it pluged in the amp, and then get an appropriate mike and place it in front of the amp in the centre, not too close not too far, i was told that you get a better sound recording like that rather than straight into the mixer...
At home if want to record a guitar i would use the speaker emulation line input of my fireface that shapes the sound in a great way.. and can remove unnecessary high and low frequencies.
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MadScientist
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Posted : Jul 31, 2008 21:03
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On 2008-07-31 19:14, Luis M. wrote:
Dynamic mikes can be used to record instruments individually, they pick up the sound directly, whereas condenser can be used for the ambient, they pick up the sound in a general way..
This is how i was tought by my teacher...
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sorry but either you got this wrong or your teacher told you more or less crap. this has nothing to do with the converter type of the microphone, but more with the polar pattern and frequency response of the microphone.
instead you could say cardioid mics are better for seperation (f.e. in a drumsset) and omni-directional mics are better for room ambience. this would make a bit more sense 
the main differences between dynamic microphones and condensers are that mainly dynamic mics got a maximum sound pressure level which is about 20-40db higher than condenser mics, and condensers got an almost flat frequency response while dynamic mics got "mainly" really something else than flat.
hope this was at least a bit understandable  please correct me if I'm wrong on something guys
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Posted : Aug 1, 2008 15:13
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On 2008-07-31 19:14, Luis M. wrote:
Dynamic mikes can be used to record instruments individually, they pick up the sound directly, whereas condenser can be used for the ambient, they pick up the sound in a general way..
This is how i was tought by my teacher...
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the main differences between dynamic microphones and condensers are that mainly dynamic mics got a maximum sound pressure level which is about 20-40db higher than condenser mics, and condensers got an almost flat frequency response while dynamic mics got "mainly" really something else than flat.
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I want to add that you need a mic-preamp for condensers mics which is fed with a +48V.
I wouldn´t say that condensers are more flat than a dynamic.
Id rather say that condenser mics are more sensitive which makes them more suitable for recording vocals and acoustic instruments where you usually want the details.
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Posted : Aug 1, 2008 16:38
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doesnt the elec gtr have a decent pickup ? necessary to mic it ?
if there isnt any hardware you could also try AmpliTube X-GEAR
http://www.ikmultimedia.com/x-gear/
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Luis M.
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Posted : Aug 1, 2008 17:30
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On 2008-07-31 19:14, Luis M. wrote:
Dynamic mikes can be used to record instruments individually, they pick up the sound directly, whereas condenser can be used for the ambient, they pick up the sound in a general way..
This is how i was tought by my teacher...
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sorry but either you got this wrong or your teacher told you more or less crap. this has nothing to do with the converter type of the microphone, but more with the polar pattern and frequency response of the microphone.
instead you could say cardioid mics are better for seperation (f.e. in a drumsset) and omni-directional mics are better for room ambience. this would make a bit more sense
the main differences between dynamic microphones and condensers are that mainly dynamic mics got a maximum sound pressure level which is about 20-40db higher than condenser mics, and condensers got an almost flat frequency response while dynamic mics got "mainly" really something else than flat.
hope this was at least a bit understandable please correct me if I'm wrong on something guys
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Weel, in the course i attended they were more into chatting and drinking cofee than in proper explaining these issues...
but it is not completly worng what i said, i just tried to explain as i was tought , in a superficial way!!!
it's allway good to learn with you, hopefully you people know what you are saying...
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Upavas
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Posted : Aug 2, 2008 02:03
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Electret microphones also need phantom power, 12 volt to be excact, not to be confused with 48 volt for a non magnetically charged condenser which needs 48 volt. If you feed 48 volt into an electret mic you might ruin it.
I will probably always use a dynamic mic for lets say a kickdrum, while I would use condenser mic for less powerful stuff such as background noise, the Rode NT4, a stereo condenser mic is very good for that.
Generally speaking I prefer condenser mics where more precision is concerned. On another note you might give a rock singer a very good dynamic mic for his/her live show, he can swing it around and it might crash onto the floor, not much of a problem with a dynamic mic, do that with a condenser and it's toast...
When in the studio he/she will usually (not always) sing into a condenser.
Then there are Ribbon mics, dynamic, they are really cool if you want to bring out a nice bass. Larry King on CNN uses a very nice Ribbon mic. Kinda funny, I heard his voice on a condenser and it sounded quite thin, not at all what you would expext from the Larry King voice one knows from the show...
A guitar is often best recorded with a condenser, especially and not exclusively when accoustic.
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Scrambled Headz
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Posted : Aug 2, 2008 02:28
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guys thanx very much for the infos!
looks like a missed the mic class at college
bad news is the quitarist sucked big time so we stoped at rehearsals  (was @ work at that time and couldnt waste time recording crap )
at least i got a big input on mic informations
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