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Kaz
IsraTrance Full Member
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Posted : Nov 18, 2007 10:29
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It's not the tool, it's the man who uses it. And for all the Reason-haters, until you outmatch The Prodigy (music made in Reason), you can shut the f#@! up.
Reason is limited compared to Ableton, but both are limited when compared to Cubase, Logic, Fruity Loops and Sonar... so what? It means absolutely nothing next to things like talent and creativity. Just because Japanese painters used wooden molds to make pictures doesn't make the art worse than a lot of crap made in the west with 154378156 types of brushes and a full palette of colours. |
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Glitch_CapeTown
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Posted : Nov 18, 2007 10:38
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brasirc
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Posted : Nov 18, 2007 18:12
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dude...
it is just a piece of software....why all the hate =p
you do anything you want with it, your creativity is the limit...
reason doesnt need to be just like every other daw out there...he has it own market...he doesnt NEED all that "few more things".....or else he will be just like all the others, and then he would lose badly, cause side by side most of the top daws today would be superior....
btw....anyone can produce a whole album merely from presets, grooves and beats...and in any daw o,O reason is not the bad guy on that one...
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Brain Hacked
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Posted : Nov 18, 2007 22:00
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I support reason 100 % but almost everybody know that The prodigy making music with reason its publicity, he states in the interview that basslines come from analogue synthsand reason its just something he uses while traveling to lay down ideas only |
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saintsanty
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Posted : Dec 4, 2007 09:16
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i finally figured out how to do a reverse kick on reason and its pretty simple actually. |
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-aeon-
Aeon
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Posted : Dec 4, 2007 09:26
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On 2007-11-18 10:29, Kaz wrote:
It's not the tool, it's the man who uses it. And for all the Reason-haters, until you outmatch The Prodigy (music made in Reason), you can shut the f#@! up.
Reason is limited compared to Ableton, but both are limited when compared to Cubase, Logic, Fruity Loops and Sonar... so what? It means absolutely nothing next to things like talent and creativity. Just because Japanese painters used wooden molds to make pictures doesn't make the art worse than a lot of crap made in the west with 154378156 types of brushes and a full palette of colours.
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+1.
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mk47
Inactive User
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Posted : Dec 4, 2007 10:27
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i think prodigy had a commercial deal with propellerheads for pimping reason .. no ? |
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UnderTow
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Posted : Dec 4, 2007 11:47
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mk47: Indeed.
From my understanding Reason was used as a sketch tool. Nothing more. The album was produced and mixed with hardware synths and analogue consoles...
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piXan
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Posted : Dec 5, 2007 00:11
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Dec 5, 2007 18:25
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I don't understand the constant human need to belong to a group of people who are loyal to a product, brand, software of hardware. No only that people develop loyalty in relation to the products (I find that to be a sort of psychological disorder), but in the same time they are willing to lead countless debates trying to persuade everyone that their choice is the best one and only one worth considering.
Discrediting competition is by far the most widespread way of doing it and it makes some sense when you own the brand. Since you're paying it discrediting competition is really a backfire.
Since you're paying for tools developers should be loyal to buyers... not vice versa. Debates like this one should be paid by the software developers.... but that's not the case! So WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING???
Instead of pointing to the good sides of competitive software you're saying that your software is already better than the competition and you actively advertise products you're using. Celebrities get paid to do that and they get products for free. You pay the software and advertise it for free. Is it just me or there's something really wrong with this world lately.
Are you branded beyond recognition? Do you perceive your own value trough the "value" of the software you're using or what? Wake the fuck up and pull your heads out of the corporative brand ass.
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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Spycht
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Posted : Dec 6, 2007 00:48
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i believe people were discussing, not advertising.
way to butt into a topic and help absolutely no one. |
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vegetal
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Posted : Dec 6, 2007 01:41
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Dec 6, 2007 14:34
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On 2007-12-06 00:48, Spycht wrote:
i believe people were discussing, not advertising. |
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I can understand the new members asking such nonsensical questions as "what's better, cubase or reason" but I don't understand why each time bunch of you get carried away by it. Since Reason can be re-wired with Cubase you actually can use both of them at the same time and the question is simply beyond stupid.
So what's more important... breathing, eating or drinking? It's just good to be able to do it all, and you limit your self by doing only one of those things. There are no stupid things... only stupid people.
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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Pypedream
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Posted : Dec 6, 2007 21:04
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This seems to come up every so often and usually leads to the same result. Anyone who thinks it not possible or too restrictive to make a certain style of music using Reason should take a look at Power Tools for Reason 3 by Peff. Sure, you have to become creative with your "workarounds" at times but for my time it's a worthwhile trade-off. In all of the time I've been a Reason user not once has the program itself froze or crashed on me EVER!! That reliablility is very important to me, especially when I get so far along in my edits that I forget to do a 'save' update. Paired with the Remote SL, I'm working faster and more productively each day - that's good news for the novice or intermediate like me.
When most of the arranging is done, I admit I will separate the routing and run ReWire channels into Cubase for EQ and mastering plug-ins, as well as any time warping for individual tracks that would currently have to be done as a single track project in Reason 4.
Bottom line is I like the stability, and the designers are now programming some ridiculously good sounding Combinator patches. V4 has a very nice TB-303 emulation Combi patch using Thor. The user community is also very rich in free banks and refills.
I hope I'm not inviting attacks by sounding so pro-reason, I just think it deserves some good pub and I would like to see it discussed here more often!!
I'd most like to get to know other serious Reason users here and perhaps share some ideas and patches.
One more cool thing - Kurt "Peff" Kurasaki showed me a method for grabbing sequences from your hardware keyboard and running them as REX files (e.g. a bassline or 303 sequence). And Propellerheads are working on something (not Reason) that will affect the way these kinds of things are handled in Reason.
ELECTRON EYES / MARK-EVAN (NOR. CAL)
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Dec 7, 2007 00:35
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Although i'm a fan of some aspects of the Reason workflow, i can't understand some of the choices of the Reason development team if i'm adopting a user viewpoint. I mean, why not make an audio sequencer in Reason ? If i think of deals that have been made with other parties (maybe during the time that Rewire was developed (deals with Steinberg?)) on the other hand, they make perfect sense. Same with the refill files, why not make a conversion program that converts refills to rex? For a large part the choices seem to be dictated by corporated decisions (not decisions from a user's perspective), and since they are a corporation i understand that they want to make those. As far as i see it, the Propellerhead people have to manouvre within certain constraints and they are doing pretty good at that. |
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