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saintsanty
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Posted : Nov 14, 2007 20:45
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greetings from india
iam pretty new to making music. i have started using reason 4 and was browsing through the forum for some tips and techniques. i couldnt find much so i have opened this thread for all the reason users out here if any.
anyone has an idea on how to create a reverse kick or reverse crash on reason
which software is better reason or cubase (iam not using a mac)
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vegetal
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Posted : Nov 14, 2007 21:18
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On 2007-11-14 20:45, saintsanty wrote:
greetings from india
iam pretty new to making music. i have started using reason 4 and was browsing through the forum for some tips and techniques. i couldnt find much so i have opened this thread for all the reason users out here if any.
anyone has an idea on how to create a reverse kick or reverse crash on reason
which software is better reason or cubase (iam not using a mac)
cheers
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I use reason but i don´t use it standalone i use it as as a plug-in , routing it with rewire into ableton.
TO make a reverse sample load it into the NN-XT sampler, mark the sample you want to reverse then turn the knob that says "play mode" and select BW. Now it plays the sample backwards.
I wouldn´t say which is "better"
There are many differences between them.
I say:
Choose the one you are more comfortable with.
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Glitch_CapeTown
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Posted : Nov 14, 2007 22:19
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vegetal
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Posted : Nov 15, 2007 00:52
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I´ve never enjoyed the "cubase workflow", i was about to use rewire and reason with it at one point but i found cubase to have way to many subwindows and crap, it just became lengthy for me to even consider it, then i found Ableton, they´ve done a sequencer that i would design if i was given free-hands to design from scratch, I love how easy it is to go from idea to sound, just doubleclick and your pretty much done.
SO let me quote if you don´t mind Glitch "if u want to reverse samples Ableton is alot easier" 
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brasirc
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Posted : Nov 15, 2007 06:26
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+1 for Ableton Live + Reason, really powerful combo
and if you want to learn deeply your synths, effects, mixing, etc....Reason is a really good start (and end) point....since it is a complete studio, and really easy on the eyes (and fun, most of the time), plus it beeing alienated from outside VSTs and instruments i consider a good thing, if you`re on cubase for example...and "download happy" like alot of us, you would end up downloading more and more vsts, and never really learning them deeply....
btw...if you looking for answers, search for reason 3 instead of 4....its is the same soft, 4 has some really sweet sweet updates, but most of it is just the same..
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Spycht
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Posted : Nov 15, 2007 07:34
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Definitely another +1 for Reason and Ableton
You can make the most psychedelic shit with Reason and get a better mixdown in Ableton.. plus a better bass synth and the ability to work with audio clips (the only other way involving reason to achieve a reverse kick as far as I know).
-1 for Reason 4.
They killed everything useful about the sequencer for me and the new plugs just don't fill the gap. So terribly disappointed. Still got Ableton 7 though.. -crosses fingers-
To add on top of basirc I must say don't let Reason become a crutch. Be sure to explore other sequencers and get a feel for some VSTs as well. I got so used to throwing loads of lfos and envelopes anywhere I wanted in Reason. When using VSTs it's a little difficult to find a synth with 7 lfos and 5 envelopes that you can route to ANYTHING... gotta love the combinator..
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Glitch_CapeTown
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Posted : Nov 15, 2007 11:50
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On 2007-11-15 06:26, brasirc wrote:
+1 for Ableton Live + Reason, really powerful combo
and if you want to learn deeply your synths, effects, mixing, etc....Reason is a really good start (and end) point....since it is a complete studio, and really easy on the eyes (and fun, most of the time), plus it beeing alienated from outside VSTs and instruments i consider a good thing, if you`re on cubase for example...and "download happy" like alot of us, you would end up downloading more and more vsts, and never really learning them deeply....
btw...if you looking for answers, search for reason 3 instead of 4....its is the same soft, 4 has some really sweet sweet updates, but most of it is just the same..
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i dunno about reason being the end, point i mean, comon, when can u ever stop exploring new ideas?????
i still use reason occasionally, and logic and all the appz i can get. but i still consider cubase my favourite, but i dont think there should ever be an end point!??!
i get what ur saying about it being a good place to start but i would leave it at that, a sequencer with next to no audio capabilites IMHO is not worth it. the reason that the leave an audio in out of every release just baffles me.....
Reason might have a good workflow but its missing key elements which ALL other sequencers have...
I would say replace reason with reaktor 5, and u will learn more about synthesis in one day than u will in a lifetime of reason.
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saintsanty
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Posted : Nov 15, 2007 16:03
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wow good to see so many replies to the post. @vegetal mate i do have ableton live but i have not started using it yet. i have also seen many of my friends use reason as a plugin in cubase which they say is very powerful too. thanks for the tips on reverse kick on reason i will try it out and let u know how it goes.
@brasirc i found reason very friendy to work with too.
@glitch thanks bro will definately look out for reaktor 5
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Brain Hacked
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Posted : Nov 15, 2007 16:15
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I love reason 4, i find the sequencer more useful, and thor....thor is awesome, easy and phatt, i dont use ableton that much but i do support ableton+reason combo |
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Nov 15, 2007 17:35
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On 2007-11-15 11:50, Glitch_CapeTown wrote:
i dunno about reason being the end, point i mean, comon, when can u ever stop exploring new ideas?????
i still use reason occasionally, and logic and all the appz i can get. but i still consider cubase my favourite, but i dont think there should ever be an end point!??!
i get what ur saying about it being a good place to start but i would leave it at that, a sequencer with next to no audio capabilites IMHO is not worth it. the reason that the leave an audio in out of every release just baffles me.....
Reason might have a good workflow but its missing key elements which ALL other sequencers have...
I would say replace reason with reaktor 5, and u will learn more about synthesis in one day than u will in a lifetime of reason.
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brasirc
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Posted : Nov 15, 2007 19:40
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as in end point, i mean that even if you`re a 10+ years experienced producer, you would still be using reason (not as main daw, thats for sure....but for starting point for some ideas)...
nowadays i do belive using 1 daw, and 1 daw only is already a weak point...since everyone and their dogs are using rewire, the combination of softwares and their abilities improve your horizonts, as you can use strong points of one, and substitute the weak point with that second software, giving you unlimited oportunities...
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vegetal
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Posted : Nov 15, 2007 23:39
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On 2007-11-15 11:50, Glitch_CapeTown wrote:
i get what ur saying about it being a good place to start but i would leave it at that, a sequencer with next to no audio capabilites IMHO is not worth it. the reason that the leave an audio in out of every release just baffles me.....
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They leave out audio-editing because you just rewire it to a host sequencer, i rather see them develop new monstersynths, new ways to wire and so on than see a new version that has recording, it wouldn´t interest me.
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Reason might have a good workflow but its missing key elements which ALL other sequencers have...
I would say replace reason with reaktor 5, and u will learn more about synthesis in one day than u will in a lifetime of reason.
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Can you please evolve the first statement you did, what key element are you missing that "ALL" sequencers have, im not busting on you, im just curious 
And if you want to learn about synthesis, you read a book about it and study transform-methods (Laplace, Z and fourier to name a few)
I can´t see how reaktor would make you understand the basics about synthesis? Yes you learn how make your design plugs that suits your needs.
Id say you can do the same in reason by wiring in the most bizarre ways, something that the other sequencers can´t offer.
"u will learn more about synthesis in one day than u will in a lifetime of reason" and you´ve done this so you can confirm its true? 
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Glitch_CapeTown
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Posted : Nov 16, 2007 09:45
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hehe,
I didn't say the basics i meant the advanced stuff, hehehehehehe
not only do u learn how to design plugs, but u can take plugs which u already found and wire them in wierd and wonderful ways, and add random fx into the middle of the circuit. It is basically a modular synth with every component u could ever need. What more could a guy need
The key elements for me are:
-Audio chopping and offline editing
-Parabola automation
-Bus or Group channels (these can be made, but not very ideal)
-being able to load original plugins
i admit that i was over exagerating and that i do have a personal thing against reason, despite that i would still use it sumtimes if there is a specific thing i need done or sumthing like this.
It can be a very powerful tool this is true, but i have heard way too many crappy commercial hip-hop tunes come out of reason made by some idiots who have been tweaking knobs for like 10 minutes.
The bottom line IMHO is that its all about the person doing it. If ur good at what u do, then naturally u will be able to rock reason's socks.
I like to think of reason as working inside the box, whereas a program like protools, cubase ableton or logic its like creating ur own dimension in which that box will exist
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vegetal
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Posted : Nov 16, 2007 16:11
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On 2007-11-16 09:45, Glitch_CapeTown wrote:
not only do u learn how to design plugs, but u can take plugs which u already found and wire them in wierd and wonderful ways, and add random fx into the middle of the circuit. It is basically a modular synth with every component u could ever need. What more could a guy need
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Well you work the same way when you work with the combinatior in reason, its the exact same thing only difference is that its not blocks your working with.
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The key elements for me are:
-Audio chopping and offline editing
-Parabola automation
-Bus or Group channels (these can be made, but not very ideal)
-being able to load original plugins
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Audio chopping in reason? you mean what audiotracks?
Parabola automation, you mean predefined waveforms for automations or?
How you´d you describe the ideal way of using bus or grouptracks? Any programs that has achieved it yet?
Load original plugins? w00t
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It can be a very powerful tool this is true, but i have heard way too many crappy commercial hip-hop tunes come out of reason made by some idiots who have been tweaking knobs for like 10 minutes.
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That has nothing to do with the program itself its the idiot behind the screen.
Don´t think the result would be diffrent if it was made by some idiot who has been tweaking cubase for 10min
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I like to think of reason as working inside the box, whereas a program like protools, cubase ableton or logic its like creating ur own dimension in which that box will exist
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Really? how much have you explored reason
Beacuse you remind me of a Eddie Izzard show, the difference here is that the metric system is replaced by Reason. lol
Have a look at it http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/123444/Eddie_Izzard_Metric_System.html
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psyaudionamics
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Posted : Nov 18, 2007 09:40
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I LOVE ABLETON LIVE
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