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Reason 3.0 Not good for producing GOA TRANCE?
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l337
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Posted : Aug 10, 2006 00:27
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On 2006-08-09 19:18, sundrop wrote:
reason needs:
a) filters
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stick your stuff throught he maelstroms filters, or rewire and use other VST filters
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b) malstrom to load user WAV
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this would be nifty 
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c) advanced matrix
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no point imho
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d) matrix response to MIDI
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response to key input? pretty sure you can pattern change with midi - correct me if i am wrong
nah..use cubase/logic
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i really think reason is a fun tool, but i dont believe it is capable of what Cubase/Live/etc can do. simply because there is no VST support. so ... you cant call it a "sequencer" like those programs. its not... its more like a standalone synth, like Reaktor
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so yeah you cant use VST's , Reason will never offer thrid party VST support, because its no tthe concept of the program, however,if thrid party VST support is what you want then use Cubase or some other sequencer that does....
Reason is a real sequencer....you can sequence all the instruments provided...that makes it a real sequencer...dont be daft now!
Reason is hardly a standalone synth like Reaktor....both are very very different beasts altogether
Reason is a standalone synth/sampling workstation-sequencer |
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sundrop
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Posted : Aug 10, 2006 00:39
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Reason cant control MIDI devices or external instruments
you must do that to be a true sequencer IMO
Reason HAS a sequencer but it is not itself a sequencer.
call it what you want, i will call it what i want  |
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WillianDiesel
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Posted : Aug 10, 2006 01:25
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Reconding directly through the USB generates clips with the sound of his synth. i think first it was something about my hardware, but no, more users experienced that, but if you record from it's out it's grate (i'm talking only of the recording).
For a controller it's really great, but have only 2 outputs, and 2 imputs. that's not a problem if you use a firewire soundcard toguether, but if you plan using only the X-Station, Think about this, it also has 2 midi out's so you can control 2 modules. and it's usb powered, no needs for loose the transformer. |
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acidkills
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Posted : Aug 10, 2006 01:27
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Freeflow
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Posted : Aug 10, 2006 02:32
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i must agree that subtractor is one blue little beast..
but i never clicked with reason..
though i could see it as a good quick sketchblock... but i dont work that way, might be good for producers working with artists that want something compact and simple and fun to look at while geting a basic song idea down...
the colors of the sequencer is mucho important for the mind... thats why so many innovative stuff gets out of FL studio.. hehe....
i change the color of the meters in the mixer in cubase when i want to have some fun, and make some new colors for the arrangement 
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stosi
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Posted : Aug 10, 2006 02:48
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On 2006-08-09 19:18, sundrop wrote:
reason needs:
a) filters
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like l337 said wire through thr malstrom filters
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b) malstrom to load user WAV
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no need for the mal to load wavs because you load it in redrum, nn19, or nnxt and wire through the malstrom.
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c) advanced matrix
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the matrix is somewhat limited but you can always use the sequencer
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d) matrix response to MIDI
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matrix does respond to midi. i have an axiom 25 and use the trigger pads to change patterns on the matrix.
if you're talking audio in i agree.
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i really think reason is a fun tool, but i dont believe it is capable of what Cubase/Live/etc can do. simply because there is no VST support. so ... you cant call it a "sequencer" like those programs. its not... its more like a standalone synth, like Reaktor
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reason is just a tool. its not considered a sequencer. it's a virtual studio rack. i will never understand the people that say "this" is the program you should use. use whatever you need to use to get the job done. thats whats so great about rewire. you can use all these programs at the same time. |
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sundrop
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Posted : Aug 10, 2006 03:30
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i constantly use rewire with cubase+reason or live+reason. However there are a few addons that can make Reason alot better standalone (like audio lanes, so you can work properly with large samples). Rewire is a godsend but, some people dont have Cubase, and some computers cant handle Cubase+Reason.
As for an Advanced Matrix i dont see why you wouldnt want this, there are alot of features im sure you could imagine to have (like more time divisions, multiple notes, any length patterns, etc). The sequencer does that sure, but not for live PA.
Thanks for the advice of working the inputs into malstrom - hadnt tried that before! |
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acidkills
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Posted : Aug 10, 2006 04:19
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now I want that axiom and use triger pads.. Clicking in Reason is getting on my nerves.. Gotta get that axiom or xboard soon..
I think great add ons for reason are rebirth and recycle (havent try them but I gotta have that soon too)
About advanced matrix, it would be great to have that but its fine now as it is too
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stosi
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Posted : Aug 10, 2006 05:42
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On 2006-08-10 03:30, sundrop wrote:
i constantly use rewire with cubase+reason or live+reason. However there are a few addons that can make Reason alot better standalone (like audio lanes, so you can work properly with large samples). Rewire is a godsend but, some people dont have Cubase, and some computers cant handle Cubase+Reason.
As for an Advanced Matrix i dont see why you wouldnt want this, there are alot of features im sure you could imagine to have (like more time divisions, multiple notes, any length patterns, etc). The sequencer does that sure, but not for live PA.
Thanks for the advice of working the inputs into malstrom - hadnt tried that before!
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i totally agree that reason could use alot more addons. maybe in the next upgrade. and hopefully it'll be another free upgrade |
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Aug 10, 2006 13:48
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god damn it. so much argument about the simple fact.
Every tool has it's benefits and downsides. Anybody who is using only "this" or "that" tool is only limiting him self. Tools are as good as we're good in using them.
I bet that most of you could not be able to recognize synth phrase from subtractor compared with same phrase from AB bassline pro or similar FM VST synth.
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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piXan
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Posted : Aug 10, 2006 20:12
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On 2006-08-10 13:48, shamantrixx wrote:
god damn it. so much argument about the simple fact.
Every tool has it's benefits and downsides. Anybody who is using only "this" or "that" tool is only limiting him self. Tools are as good as we're good in using them.
I bet that most of you could not be able to recognize synth phrase from subtractor compared with same phrase from AB bassline pro or similar FM VST synth.
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yes i think we all know that, and reason sure has its upsides, but the reason this has been so much argument is that some people just cant admit that vst just sound better! i can sure hear the difference from a subtractor phrase (no external fx) from a dsicodsp discovery one! its so obvious. i know cause i used subtractor for that particular kinfd of sounds, but when i got discovery i gradually stteped away from subtractor and my tracks right away sound better. im sorry but me and most people i know agree it just sounds better, fatter, the filter doesnt sound cheap and many other things
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l337
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Posted : Aug 10, 2006 20:24
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On 2006-08-10 20:12, piXan wrote:
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On 2006-08-10 13:48, shamantrixx wrote:
god damn it. so much argument about the simple fact.
Every tool has it's benefits and downsides. Anybody who is using only "this" or "that" tool is only limiting him self. Tools are as good as we're good in using them.
I bet that most of you could not be able to recognize synth phrase from subtractor compared with same phrase from AB bassline pro or similar FM VST synth.
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yes i think we all know that, and reason sure has its upsides, but the reason this has been so much argument is that some people just cant admit that vst just sound better! i can sure hear the difference from a subtractor phrase (no external fx) from a dsicodsp discovery one! its so obvious. i know cause i used subtractor for that particular kinfd of sounds, but when i got discovery i gradually stteped away from subtractor and my tracks right away sound better. im sorry but me and most people i know agree it just sounds better, fatter, the filter doesnt sound cheap and many other things
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the only reason for this is that the programmers of VST's such as DiscoDSP add the phattening effects etc into the internal Discovery audio engine....
however...with Reason the Subtractor come RAW with no added phattening such as Discovery or any other VST like Discovery
but i bet anybody with any skill, can get a Subtractor sounding phat as the Discovery
for example adding a Scream unit to the signal chain or a series of Screams you can phatten anything up in Reason
As far as the comment on the filter of the Subtractor....imo its a very decent filter
Again tho i think we are argueing a mute point here....but its fun at any rate |
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Aug 11, 2006 11:54
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On 2006-08-10 20:12, piXan wrote:
im sorry but me and most people i know agree it just sounds better, fatter, the filter doesnt sound cheap and many other things
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The more I learn the more I see how little is what I know. I'm glad that you're so sure about what you know. Wish I could be so sure after all these years of learning.
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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Posted : Oct 4, 2006 14:14
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UniversalTraveller
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Posted : Oct 4, 2006 16:15
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hi all
the best on reason is the fast you can get in to ideas adding machines and routing to buld sounds very fast. I use reason to create the main ideas of track and then I bounce in nuendo to make the final work
http://psyspace.biz/dls/PsySample.8.7.06.zip
this link is broken, can anyone upload again plz?
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