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Reason 3.0 Not good for producing GOA TRANCE?
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Overhuman
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Posted : Aug 7, 2006 08:01
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Well people if u remeber i was the creator of this forum a few motnhs ago.... and for that time if u check last replies i was defending the reason software as hell but... people changed and so am i
I have recentLy & defntly turned into cubase sx and man defntly people were right :reason is just litle stone in front of cubase mountain ...if u want to check u can come into www.psylosophy.com/overhuman and check last song i have made in cubase
SXis whole world opf oportunitis toproduce goa as u wish |
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ess765
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Posted : Aug 7, 2006 09:23
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Although I use Nuendo, I began on e-music production with Reason. And I d ilke to post a more detailed opinion. Let s consider only the latest 3.0 version, cause some people migh have tried only ealier versions and then moved to other sequencers.
Althoug I ve being using most sophisticated vstis I still love Reason, and I m preatty sure that what can make the software to work well, is the producers talent and experience. I d rather have a track produced by an experienced producer using Reason 3 that a less talented one using Vsts.
My conclusion:
I deslike in Reason:
1) not being able to record audio
2) having to sculpe the sounds through the synths cause there are very few packages with real quality to buy out there.
3) Mastering/mixing being a little limited compared to other sequencers using vsts.
I admire in Reason :
1)what makes dieference here is the producer skills and knowledge on how to sculpe, create and emulate sounds through synths and devices. The problem here is that very few people have spent time on reading and studying advanced resources from Reason, cause Vsts sound better kickly, cause it s synths and sounds are more ready to go. In Reason you ll have some work to create a nice combinator patch adding lots of devices to create complex sounds, for example.
2) The workflow in Reason is just perfect. Vey easy to program drums through a dream beat machine called Redrum (in which you can use wav samples as perfect as in any other sequencer using vsts. The samplers also work great and let you load your synth with real pro sounds for bass and lead synths for instance.
3) the editing tools, copy and paste, quantization, automation are so easy to work with !!! It gives the producer pleasure to be able to edit things so easily and quickly. If you learn and get used to Reason you ll never find such a simple and complete sequencer.
4) As I said before, Reason best sounds are not ready to go. It will demand some time for you to enhance leads, bass sounds. But It s really possible to have professional results. No doubt.
5)Reason s cpu power comsuption is almost a miracle. I have made tracks with almost 100 devices and had no probem with my pc.
6) You can rewire it to other sequencers and fill the gap concerning mastering/mixing tools as well effects. So, we re not talking about such distant worlds.
7) Reason s synths like malstrom and substractor will let you create any sound you can listen to. The problem is: is the producer experienced enough to know the sound design theory behind the sound he wants to achieve? If he is, he will confirm my words, if not he s not that experienced.
8) Side chain in Reason is the easiest in the planet earth, for instance. Transfereing paterns from redrum or matrix into the sequencer is dead easy.
9) Some books, videos and tutorials out there can give people the real pro secrets behind Reason which would make lots of people who laugh on Reason (caused by lack of information) to apology themselves. If you pick a lead synth in Reason, send the left output to the mixer and make the right output pass through a delay device with 10ms and then make it s conection to the mixer, you ll notice a huge diference regarding this leads fatness and stereo presence.
10 ) lots of pros have used Reason on real nice projects, and achieved wonderful results. Prodigy and Chemical brothers are good examples.
11) good price. For you to have a good sequencer plus nice plugins and virtual instruments you ll spend many times more money.
I don t like this kind of thought when we d feel evolution changing from Reason to other sequencers. I agree that vsts are more complex regarding sounds overall quality. But you can have both and take advantage on that. Good producers will always do the job. Diferent tools are diferent paths to go through but both roads can lead us into good e-music tracks.
There s one thing we gotta think and be honest. Cubase or other synths aren t better than Reason in a certain way, but the main explanation is that they will let us work with hunderds of brands concerning virtual instruments and plug ins. Cause the original synths in Cubase are terrible. I don t know a single producer that only use the buit-in synths from the top sellers sequencers out there.
My final advice is: if you are a begginer or not, Reason 3 still is a great software and deserves all respect in the world. What will really make diference in the end, are the producers skills and knowledge regarding sound design and creative aspects. Don t blame your sequencer for poor results...blame yourself and improve your techniques.
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piXan
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Posted : Aug 7, 2006 21:36
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On 2006-08-07 07:41, acidkills wrote:
THX pixan.. Ill contact u when I try it one more time.. Basically I first opened Cubase then Reason, activated Reason in Devices and when I press the play button in Reason it plays in the Cubase too as it should and vice versa but there is no sound.. I linked the subtractor directly to the third chanel on the hardware interface on reason and as I said I see it on VU of third chanel but nothing from the speakers.. Or maybe thats just too complicated for me  Ill get Cubase tutorial soon so we´ll see how things will be going.. And I agree its not much of progress.. Which VST do u use the most of the ones I mentioned? Do u have some other? I need Rebirth and Recycle still..
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theres a button for monitoring maybe u can push it and see what happens. its strange that if the signal is appearing on the rewire channel in cubase , there isnt any sound comig out? thats odd never happenned to me.
and i agree on reason given its credit as a valid tool for making music. but saying that if someone doesnt like the reason sound because he has not enough synthesis knowledge is very wrong.
there is more to synthesis than subtractive and grain table, thats why vst platform is superior. simple as that.
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SISMIC
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Posted : Aug 7, 2006 21:40
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acidkills
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Posted : Aug 7, 2006 23:28
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ess765 I agree with you.. You maked nice rewiev of Reason..
piXan I finally got it.. A lot of messin around with ASIO media setup and it worked.. My friend has a problem just like me.. I figured it out, played it and its awesome in combination with VSTs.. But I was playing it and suddenly the problem reapeared, I dont know how and I have to start a new session of cubase and reason and it worked normally again.. Very psychodelic that Cubase I hope Ill get familiar with it soon cause I already see the posibilities in combineing those two programs and a whole bunch of VSTs, not to mention what it will be when I buy E-mu Xboard 49. I think Reason without MIDI keyboard is like aeroplane without wings.. Ii is just very limiting.. But all in all Reason is a great tool and especially the 3.0 version cause they added all the things I was missing, customers wanted it and they gave it to them..
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stosi
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Posted : Aug 7, 2006 23:55
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I've been using reason since v1.0 and while it's not easy to get a good bass sound it's not impossible either. Especially with the new mastering suite in 3.0. Here's a quick sample for you.
http://psyspace.biz/dls/PsySample.8.7.06.cmb
Just load the patch and hit play. Since you can't self contain a combinator patch I had to use samples from the factory sound bank and I did this pretty quick so it might need a little more eq'ing but you get the idea.
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acidkills
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Posted : Aug 8, 2006 00:18
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On 2006-08-07 23:55, stosi wrote:
I've been using reason since v1.0 and while it's not easy to get a good bass sound it's not impossible either. Especially with the new mastering suite in 3.0. Here's a quick sample for you.
http://psyspace.biz/dls/PsySample.8.7.06.cmb
Just load the patch and hit play. Since you can't self contain a combinator patch I had to use samples from the factory sound bank and I did this pretty quick so it might need a little more eq'ing but you get the idea.
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can u zip that patch, I cant download anything else.. I have no problem with bass sounds, but with kicks (solved that recently) and with leads (to solve that problem I need to practice more)
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stosi
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Posted : Aug 8, 2006 00:26
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acidkills
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Posted : Aug 9, 2006 07:21
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l337
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Posted : Aug 9, 2006 14:00
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if you cant make awesome sounds in reason then dont bother calling yourself a producer...
the program has amazing sound making capabilites
As it is imho, i think the Subtractor is one of the best soft subtractive synths out there, for raw sound.
anyways , if you like it and think its great, use it, if you think it sucks like the vast amount of ignorant people out there, then keep on thinking like that....leaves greater possibilties for new sounds for the minority |
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l337
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Posted : Aug 9, 2006 14:02
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On 2006-08-07 23:55, stosi wrote:
I've been using reason since v1.0 and while it's not easy to get a good bass sound it's not impossible either. Especially with the new mastering suite in 3.0. Here's a quick sample for you.
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Its not hard either....you just have to know a thing or two about synth programming...as you said its not impossible |
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sundrop
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Posted : Aug 9, 2006 19:18
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reason needs:
a) filters
b) malstrom to load user WAV
c) advanced matrix
d) matrix response to MIDI
e) audio lanes
i really think reason is a fun tool, but i dont believe it is capable of what Cubase/Live/etc can do. simply because there is no VST support. so ... you cant call it a "sequencer" like those programs. its not... its more like a standalone synth, like Reaktor |
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piXan
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Posted : Aug 9, 2006 20:57
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sure u can get good sounds out of subtractor, and its not that much of a programming challenge. i sometimes use it in my tracks, but still it needs more than just inside the reason box. it rocks with some tube distortion, a nice filter like mobilohm. in short it needs vst. as sundrop stated is not a real sequencer , but a sound module. but if someone doesnt bother with reason and make his music with vsts, its a intelligent desicion for me and must be respected. that: "if u cant make awesome sounds in reason dont bother calling urself a producer"" it just pure bullshit. Many real producers dont even bother trying!
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acidkills
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Posted : Aug 9, 2006 21:08
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the program has amazing sound making capabilites
As it is imho, i think the Subtractor is one of the best soft subtractive synths out there, for raw sound.
anyways , if you like it and think its great, use it, if you think it sucks like the vast amount of ignorant people out there, then keep on thinking like that....leaves greater possibilties for new sounds for the minority
pixan wrote:
sure u can get good sounds out of subtractor, and its not that much of a programming challenge. i sometimes use it in my tracks, but still it needs more than just inside the reason box.
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I agree with this, combine it with VSTs and cubase sx and u got a ultimate tool for production.. And yeah, without MIDI controller it sucks, you gotta spend much more time..
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piXan
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Posted : Aug 10, 2006 00:21
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On 2006-08-09 14:00, l337 wrote:
if you cant make awesome sounds in reason then dont bother calling yourself a producer...
the program has amazing sound making capabilites
As it is imho, i think the Subtractor is one of the best soft subtractive synths out there, for raw sound.
anyways , if you like it and think its great, use it, if you think it sucks like the vast amount of ignorant people out there, then keep on thinking like that....leaves greater possibilties for new sounds for the minority
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ok. thats it. closed minded posts deserve cloded minded (but correct) answers:
the sound of subtractor in reason is a weak opponent for discodsp discovery sound in cubase sx. just listen to the sound coming out of ur monitors/speakers, just listen!
if u cant hear the difference ure not only not a producer, ur deaf!!!
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