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orgytime
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Posted : Nov 22, 2011 09:21
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imo kick is the fundamental, so id start with it.
the bass is called gallop, notice that this track is quite "slow"...
you remember the thread... slower = more space for bass waves.
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kellermonster
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Posted : Nov 22, 2011 09:59
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lets say you have your bass in A
where would you place the kick?
same note, higher or lower and if yes in which note? (would be C,E a good idea?)
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orgytime
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Posted : Nov 22, 2011 12:07
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i dont get the point with the psy kick note, because its a fast notesweep until the end. so only the sub freqs would be
worth to think about, but also those freqs are moving...
i understand it with real kickdrums or similar stuff.
did you change notes in bazzism? no changing ...
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kellermonster
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Posted : Nov 22, 2011 12:26
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no i dont move my kick-synth. 
yes i was talking about the sub freqs!
but do you mean with synth kicks its not so important where they "hit finally"?
(sorry 4 poor expl.)
i just thought i place my kick @ eg 40 hz than my bass should be a lil bit over it!
or im tottallly wrong :s
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Nectarios
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Posted : Nov 22, 2011 12:46
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if your bassline is at A I would start by using a kick that is also tune at the A note. Then depending on the scale of your bassline, general synth riffs, I would try tuning the kick to the next note (up or down the scale) that you are using in your riffs and see what fits best.
A quick word on kick tuning.
You have two envelopes in your drum synth. One is controlling the pitch of the sine wave that sweeps the spectrum and one is controlling the amp of your synth.
So say you have the amp open for 120msec and you dial in the pitch envelope to sweep from, say something like A6 down to A1 (the note of your bassline) in say 80msec, and the sustain value of the pitch envelope is at 0 (if you add a sustain value then pitch envelope will sustain higher than A1), you will essentially get 40msec of a tuned bottom end at the A1 note, thus the boom of the kick will sound in tune with your A1 bassline.
It is also possible to tune the click of the kick, depending on which note you sweep from high up in the spectrum and your pitch envelope settings.
I make all my kicks in Ultrabeat so I know that is possible there, can't help with any other drum synths as I only use Ultrabeat for kick synthesis.
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kellermonster
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Posted : Nov 22, 2011 13:36
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very big thx for your reply
lighted me very much up!
thx again
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Trevon
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Posted : Nov 22, 2011 21:04
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there are two kicks on the track.
a clickie one in the intro.
and a stomp deep kick when the bass hits. that's what gives all that thickness.
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Equilizyme
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Posted : Nov 22, 2011 22:45
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Is it typical to have multiple kicks in a track? or just process the same one differently? i suppose its just whichever sounds better, but do you guys find one way to be generally superior?
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Nectarios
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Posted : Nov 23, 2011 11:28
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I used to layer 2 sometimes 3 kicks into one when making breakbeat. the main reason is that I wanted a synthetic deep bottom end and an acoustic mid/top end. Then went down to two kicks (or combined two oscillators in kick synthesis), and now I am down to 1 kick/oscillator for psy-trance and a hat layer.
I have used two kick in trance tunes, an intro one and then gone into the main one and I always use an intro kick and a main kick in techno tracks.
But I don't like changing kick once the tune has kicked in proper.
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Equilizyme
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Posted : Nov 23, 2011 17:15
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 23, 2011 19:24
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sine pitched + a short pulse to get a click + noise can work great too if you want a more commercial sounding kick, for prog for example but it can work in all kind of trance ,using a hihat is similar.. as it s some noise fitlered or fm/ring modulation that produce something close but with more sparkle than filtered noise
there is multiple way, you can make the short im pulse , use envelop to get a click then use a filter in self oscillation to get the sine and pitch all this, add some filtered noise.. all pre/post combinaison with the pulse noise sine can work good , but ideally you need a amp envelop for the pulse and noise that is different than the amp envelop of the sine pitched as you need just a click with a very short decay time and no sustain.
and you can use a bit of saturation if it s highquality and make the high click more smooth and hifi insteed of harsh and sound like it s cliped, work great to make the kick more analog sounding |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Nov 23, 2011 19:43
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Finding the right hat layer sound is integral to the whole sound of the kick. tuning that as well and sending it to some IR reverb tight plate, or vintage plate when i want it to ring, slapback style. Used to use it for techno tracks but I am curious to bring this effect to trance tracks, just less apparent as I mix it loud for techno music.
Like pom already said, there's lots of ways in doing this, I just find using a nice hat sample (I prefer synthesized ones) adds the right bit of sparkle, hits nicely and I can place the top end of the kick in a room, yet keeping the actual kick sound, completely dry.
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 23, 2011 19:48
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mate it make me think to something i should give a try, in ultrabreat using the first oscillator to make the attack of the kick and use the second one to make the body, i m sure it could work great |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Nov 23, 2011 19:51
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I used this technique. You can create a full kick sound as if you already layered a hat in it, different kind of sound that i used to dig. you get into a whole new territory that single oscillator/sine generators, are incapable of creating.
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SineFreq
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Posted : Nov 24, 2011 05:59
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modulate between high and low octave A and you will be fine... |
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