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Elad
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Posted : Nov 29, 2008 04:17
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the best real one's i saw with my eyes (and im of this S holes that stand behind the dj to check what he do lol) :
Tom Cosm (ableton master , loop triggering , full effects control , synth possiblities , and full transition to new track within 30 seconds possible in any time)
Reality Pixie (ableton master2 , quite similar setup , include WII remotes linked to the sounds!!)
Reflections (3 ppl live band with bass , synths , didge , mic , and drummer)
O.o.o.d (4 people trance band !!! not sure about
the setup but colin will explain) (didnt saw actualy this one hey just on video's)
Squaremeat (playback with alot of main sounds MUTED , so he can do them live and play with the sound)
Texas Faggott (renegade live , variable , changind from set to set , include mics guitars and synths , yet usualy playing tracks as is from cds (even if it play out of laptop its still the normal track) and add on that.. )
the rest i saw usualy playing mixed set with minimal options to add , or simply DJ in the laptop their own tunes.
i love to play cds of my music and add on top of that with synth or laptop.. you can call it 'lively' but seem the world only know 'dj set' or 'live'...   www.sattelbattle.com
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soulfood
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Posted : Nov 29, 2008 08:58
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I'm still a fan of the dj playing behind someone playing the flute.
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Kane
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Posted : Nov 29, 2008 09:13
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I can't even get through these Dali videos. They make me embarassed to be any part of this scene. Playing "live" in this genre can be pretty difficult..it isn't at all as easy as picking up a guitar or something, but she just looks like a confused child the entire time. Sounds like there's a pre recorded vocal track playing that she can't even keep up with (in rhythm and pitch), and she just kinda walks back and forth not knowing what to do. Nothing audible happens whenever she starts messing with the synth, and the whole headbanging thing is just obnoxious.
The goal is playing psy live (imo) is usually to just come up with a good balance between safety (not putting yourself at immediate risk of trainwrecking) and control. The most important thing is to have enough control over what's going on to be able to change things up if the crowd isn't liking what you're doing. At the same time you should have something to fall back on so you don't end up looking like Dali. To put it simply, if you're in the middle of playing live and you leave, the world shouldn't end, but it should be the most boring set ever.
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Posted : Dec 1, 2008 15:40
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i can imagine psynina havin such a great live act like Dali's .
I have no problem of fake acts but i find it rediculus to pretend with such idiot ways..
They should find a way to do smth instead of jumping and screaming infrond of the NordLead.
Its not that hard to make a good arrange in live or use a big pause to play a simple melody,give us mercy please!
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gutter
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Posted : Dec 1, 2008 16:42
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i think one of the best live acts of trance have been made by good old Infected Mushroom, where you were seeing Erez above synths drinking their blood and Duvdev messing with everything else and mixing , i believe some of their lives should consider of the best ever..
and of course Logic Bomb .. Tranan rulezzzzz
but again all both are reached & well known, belong to the pantheon of trance, so dont count to much in this conversation 
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you mean touching microphones gentle with over-sensitivity that only a female can give to the show? its a trend 
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Brain Hacked
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Posted : Dec 1, 2008 17:48
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Peter hook's video is so amazing.....is the first time ive felt shame and pity for some "musician"
I really think dali is the embodiement of whats wrong in the psytrance scene..aquatica too..
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Zoopy
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Posted : Dec 1, 2008 19:54
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He's obviously doing alot of things in the Peter Hook video.. he probably doesn't need headphones because he has a laptop near him.. I DJ without headphones all the time.. doesn't make it fake.
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Brain Hacked
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Posted : Dec 2, 2008 00:48
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its not about the headphones only, hes tweaking some knobs without any audible effect......he looks drunk or highly stoned perhaps that why he was kinda faking |
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Elad
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Posted : Dec 3, 2008 03:09
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well i dont know other job that its acceptable to say "im drunk so i wont really work , ill just pretend"
that equal to hit random shit like ksjkhdfskhd dfhdfkd dhsliure novsnv noiefn and present it like you daily summery of what you done.
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Posted : Dec 3, 2008 08:56
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but people are not professional... this is the problem.
if you are getting $250 for an hour's work then IMO you need to turn up early and stay sober enough to put on a good show!
you also need to know how your performance will sound... so how many 'live' acts have you seen doing a soundcheck?  |
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psyaudionamics
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Posted : Dec 3, 2008 09:17
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that dali video doing smoking, drinkin, tweakin and singing off tune was funny as shit LOL that shit almost had me taken a piss on myself, i would haved wanted my money back, thats just not acceptable in my eyes and its not fair for the fans i rather see someone fuk up than fake it, my 2 cents atleast they are real no-ones perfect so if an live act fuks up ohwell atleast its real and im paying to see LIVE... not some person fakin it thats and insult to the people who went to see u, oh man this shit is like milli manilli LOL |
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Posted : Dec 3, 2008 10:14
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On 2008-11-29 03:12, deadact wrote:
Interesting posts.
Thankyou for the videos also I would like to know who you would think are "true" live acts? All I put are fake ones, it would be nice sometimes to put someone real.
Any True acts?
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definitely check out OOOD. live drums, bass, guitar, synths... a proper band playing proper psychedelic music!
any promoters watching should also book them... i hadn't ever seen a dancefloor react the way it did after the first proper drum fill
Distortion Orchestra also does a wonderful live set... just with Nord Modular, but it's very good...
also definitely check out Wild Marmalade... amazing.
for what it's worth, my opinion is:
i tend to think a set is live if:
a) you have to rehearse
b) you can audibly make a mistake
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c) you don't fake it.
there are SO many things artists can do... even if you don't have any musical training or technical skill, even if you don't have the most killargh synths. this is the beauty of electronic music - there are so many ways of bringing creativity and improvisation to a performance...
i love Tom Cosm's stuff, but it wouldn't work for me or my style of music. why? because i write melodic tracks based on interaction of sounds, and i write them to be as-near-as-perfect as i can. the kickdrum from one track belongs with that track, the bassline is carefully tailored to it, the melodic lines are created to fit, the ambiences and textures and sounds are lovingly shaped around that track. i have no interest in remixing stuff on the fly.
however, what does work for me is live synth and instrumental jamming. so that's what i do.
almost every live act is a compromise. most of the time, you're only one person with only two hands. it's about finding out what works for you, your style, your gear and your skills. i think artists should strive to be as live as possible; no two solutions are ever exactly alike, but that's wonderful imho. i've seen some pretty creative setups, particularly back when we didn't have such powerful and portable technology. now the floodgates really should be open...
you could strip your tracks right down to the bare bones and do a Tom Cosm.
you could bring a drum machine and tap out samples or loops.
you could split your tracks and just run an 'FX' section separately, tweaking the mix, delays and flangers to add texture while preserving the integrity of the finished track.
almost any instrument can be incorporated into a live psy set... i've seen saxophones, didgeridoos, violins, guitars, drum kits, bass guitars...
you could lay down your set and then improvise over the top with a synth. even if you can't play two notes, the important thing is that with quantization, delays, arpeggiators and non-tuned 'fx' sounds, you can just twiddle knobs and make crazy cool shit happen. everyone can twiddle a knob, honestly they can... i can't think of a producer who couldn't. and more importantly i can't think of a producer who wouldn't want to.
this is the key for me. i just don't understand why, when you love music and you have the equipment, technology and skills to actually do something live... why wouldn't you do it? why fly your nord/virus + laptop + midi controller round the world and fake it? it's so easy to twiddle a knob on filter cutoff. it's so easy to set up a pattern to play the synth. and more importantly it's just so much fun!
it's also more creatively valid. i'd much rather hear a set with mistakes than a perfect reproduction of the producer's latest album plus one killargh remix. sometimes the fuckups are the best parts... as every producer knows, often the most loved things happen by accident.
on a related note...
it's been 10 long months since i last played the violin in a set... firstly due to injury, then lack of gear (it finally gave up the ghost, after about two dozen gigs and being stepped on twice!).
and pretty much all of those gigs i felt like a fraud... it's weird. the last Baraka i just took my virus, stuck a CD in and jammed over the top; but i was busy every second, programming new sounds or playing lines, selecting patches, etc. etc... it felt every bit as exhilirating as more 'live' setups i have tried out. but generally i feel naked and fraudulent without my violin, which is really weird because i probably only play it <10% of the time (because that's when it's musically appropriate!).
the good news is that i have my violin back now and Saturday play my first gigs with it this year!  |
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Posted : Dec 4, 2008 14:13
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I wonder if she also fakes her orgasms. |
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Colin OOOD
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On 2008-12-03 10:14, -aeon- wrote:
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definitely check out OOOD. live drums, bass, guitar, synths... a proper band playing proper psychedelic music!
any promoters watching should also book them... i hadn't ever seen a dancefloor react the way it did after the first proper drum fill
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Thanks Aeon, but that's not quite true... we don't generally use live bass. The setup is basically 3 musicians (guitar/keyboards, keyboards/mix, drums) improvising along to full mixes which are controlled by a 4th band-member who also adds FX. That's the full setup; smaller configurations are also possible if necessary.
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