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Elad
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Posted : Dec 18, 2008 04:01
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yes well if you dont get the idea of 1 person present music that cant be done full live according to your standarts... with 7 people even.. then i cant keep up with that.. trigger and control 7 channels all parameters and effects at the time is crazy live electronic work.
or maybe you want me to send you a midi file and show me how you play that live on any instrument? you will need 4 hands for only 1 channel hehe so as long there are not 14 people on stage you cant get to that details without any kind of pre made parts.
or how do you sum 2 hours of micro edits into instrument? or can you play reversed sounds too in live instruments?
since its not acoustic recordings but midi and electronic tools programing its just IMPOSSIBLE to play it live with instruments.. but its not any less live. actualy there is one instrument and it called computer.
it involve those machines too as the tool or instrument that you create on , and then you recreate with the same machine the song , in diffrent new ways. and that create something that is impossible in other way.
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Mesq
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Posted : Dec 18, 2008 04:08
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In this day and age Im really becoming sick of the what is live electronic music debate.
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Elad
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Posted : Dec 18, 2008 04:12
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yeah 98% think spacebar on premixed set is real live
the other 1% dont belive anyone that its live anywayz no matter what you do
feel happy that you are part of the superior 1% that actualy got a clue what they talk about
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gutter
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Posted : Dec 18, 2008 12:19
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so easy Tsa man, you just suck instead of blow and its reversed  i wonder after all these years you still have not learned the basics 
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Elad
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Posted : Dec 18, 2008 12:34
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yes well can you blow a guitar 
reverse is one example , there is milion thigs you have to use machines for..
can u play the trumpet on 1/128 notes for crazy breaks.. another example.. or can you keep the beat like metronom 2 hours and make your kick drum with actualy drum lol.. people forget trance is so speical since the way its created is not like any other music , and yes it turns the live to something else , but its still fully live as possible for that music www.sattelbattle.com
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psycho-italiano
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Posted : Dec 18, 2008 12:56
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Well for me , its doesn’t matter if it’s a real live act or not. Specially in electronic music sets (house / trance).
Probably in metal Parties its nice to see the whole band energy getting crazy on the stage…but I liked to see that when I was 16 years old….today (10 year later) I don’t go to those parties. Only for Psytrance Parties.
So before I go to any party I care about who Plays there but not about how he plays (live or not , fake or not) the matter is the music!
If I see that DJ.X I like is coming to play and I wanna trip on his music, so I hope that he plays his music, or any similar sounds of him as a one piece (one row track) to hear a good mix and selection, I don’t care if he is he playing recorded set.
I mean com’un people! If you really care about the show on the stage then you are teenager ! you don’t come really for the music! You care about the show! Are you from those new age party people that hear about trance music and you think it cool to be there??? Are you watching the dj and his fingers swapping the nobs instead of dancing? Are you a horny chick that look for a celebrity person?
Enjoy the fu**ing music…
Each successful party that I have been in (means: when my brain was blown), I barely could see how the dj act on the stage…for me the stage was the power source! I never looked too much for the small details.
The very important thing for me was getting a powerful music (not boring ones) and I don’t care how I get it. Actually I care for one thing: to get it loud as much as possible that blow my mind and body for endless pieces….. but who cares for live heheh…….only new kids do that.
If you do that, then check your self very urgent, and before you attack me ! think about it deeply, if you realy care about the show too much on the stage then you are influenced from other things than the music. And worse than that: if you feel bad that the Dj on front of you is providing you a killer set but the only problem its not a real live and you are very sad, then you didn’t come for the music, you feel only jealousy and looking for any meaningful excuses to justify your preaching and the inner self crying behavior.
Last tip: Close you eyes & Listen to the music!
Leave the show aside , without seeking for mistakes/fakes or any irrelevant details not related to the music it self.
Please stop being preachy persons!
That message was both for the fake-act party people and live-act party people.
Peace
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Elad
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Posted : Dec 18, 2008 17:48
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you missed the hole point
if it doesnt matter , then why those impotents fakes keep promote themself like live act ? and run from turnd-off synth to the other pretend they do something?
only cause real live act is better and even they know it. www.sattelbattle.com
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thegooddale
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Posted : Dec 18, 2008 18:06
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On 2008-12-18 12:56, psycho-italiano wrote:
Well for me , its doesn’t matter if it’s a real live act or not. Specially in electronic music sets (house / trance).
Probably in metal Parties its nice to see the whole band energy getting crazy on the stage…but I liked to see that when I was 16 years old….today (10 year later) I don’t go to those parties. Only for Psytrance Parties.
So before I go to any party I care about who Plays there but not about how he plays (live or not , fake or not) the matter is the music!
If I see that DJ.X I like is coming to play and I wanna trip on his music, so I hope that he plays his music, or any similar sounds of him as a one piece (one row track) to hear a good mix and selection, I don’t care if he is he playing recorded set.
I mean com’un people! If you really care about the show on the stage then you are teenager ! you don’t come really for the music! You care about the show! Are you from those new age party people that hear about trance music and you think it cool to be there??? Are you watching the dj and his fingers swapping the nobs instead of dancing? Are you a horny chick that look for a celebrity person?
Enjoy the fu**ing music…
Each successful party that I have been in (means: when my brain was blown), I barely could see how the dj act on the stage…for me the stage was the power source! I never looked too much for the small details.
The very important thing for me was getting a powerful music (not boring ones) and I don’t care how I get it. Actually I care for one thing: to get it loud as much as possible that blow my mind and body for endless pieces….. but who cares for live heheh…….only new kids do that.
If you do that, then check your self very urgent, and before you attack me ! think about it deeply, if you realy care about the show too much on the stage then you are influenced from other things than the music. And worse than that: if you feel bad that the Dj on front of you is providing you a killer set but the only problem its not a real live and you are very sad, then you didn’t come for the music, you feel only jealousy and looking for any meaningful excuses to justify your preaching and the inner self crying behavior.
Last tip: Close you eyes & Listen to the music!
Leave the show aside , without seeking for mistakes/fakes or any irrelevant details not related to the music it self.
Please stop being preachy persons!
That message was both for the fake-act party people and live-act party people.
Peace
The Alien
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Expecting a performance from a musical performer makes you immature... Riiiiiight...
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Dec 18, 2008 20:16
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psycho-italiano
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Posted : Dec 18, 2008 22:52
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On 2008-12-18 17:48, Elad wrote:
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you missed the hole point
if it doesnt matter , then why those impotents fakes keep promote themself like live act ? and run from turnd-off synth to the other pretend they do something?
only cause real live act is better and even they know it.
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Simply coz they were paid for that!
So they must act as there is really something live out there.
For me the only live act that must be 100% pure live act is a CIRCUS … coz if its not live, then what can it be??? The main show there is for our eyes not our ears.
But anyway, you may ask, then why the hill promoters should pay for live act while its faked? Well, simply its another quality way for promoting a party -> live act looks better than dj set on the flyer, while both may sound the same or little bit deferent, or actually, dj set set has better sound coz all tracks are mastered and have everything perfect.
and if the artist is pretending to do something live there then the main thing for the promoter is having music on + show, even though its faked, and even there is many dum-ass kids that think its really live, So let it be, they came for the show not for the music. They deserve faked one! And I am very happy for that  viva la faked live acts!
If the show looks faked for you, then try to focus on the music. Look at the speakers and happy people around you, dance! Enjoy the tunes……leave the dj alone. Or smile and say hi for him but don’t try to judge his act.
Parties are done for our ears not eyes! Its not a circus….no need to see acrobatics stuff there…
don't worry be trippy!
Peace
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Soul Kontakt
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Posted : Dec 18, 2008 23:53
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@ PsychoItaliano i really appreciate your words i also think that it's not supposed to be a show but the music is the show to our ears and souls. I don't care about who is playing as long as it is good music. My preference though goes to the real live acts and i think that in reality if a musician loves the music he makes, he will not be satisfied with fakeing out his live he will be looking to perform the best live he could. He wants his performance to be at it's fullest and that the music comes out perfect as he made it but live there and then! Beautiful big fat and amazing as it is Music the only show that makes us dance!
Boom :)
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Elad
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Posted : Dec 19, 2008 04:19
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ok , so they are clowns , we can agree on that
another thing i agree , is that there are idiots that want the flyer to look better then the real party
anywayz this convo is better for the 'pathetic fake live acts' rather then the 'real live acts' topic. www.sattelbattle.com
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shahar
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Posted : Dec 19, 2008 07:54
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I must say that in general I'm for DJs. I liked parties much better when DJs were the ones playing long sets.
But... if you play "live" don't lie to me. What kind of energy can you really supply a party when you're faking it? Not a good one in my opinion.
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leaetherstrip
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Posted : Dec 19, 2008 23:45
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"Parties are done for our ear not our Eyes" Do you see how insanely ridicoulous that sounds
So why do people spent hours on BEAUTIFUL AMAZING DECO and Vjing are we blind? why do people take hallucinogenic stimulants to see with our ears! So you are basically saying these peoples works is not appreciated or dont really care?! Or we walk around with our eyes clothes like zombies he he lol! No my friend LSD, Mushrooms, Dmt, are all Visual stimulants!
Other thing, people from different places have different exposure to live electronic music and you appreciate that, I grew up going to shows like front 242 a pioneer in the electronic music scene their live shows are amazing visually and sound wise!
Another thing not everyone is so fuck up on drugs also to loose track of time and just wonder around aimlessly and what is wrong to take a little time on the many hours of party to go look what the live performance is like.
If that makes you immature and preachy shit man I dont know what to say!
And I agree with Shahar I prefer or enjoy better a 3-4 dj set than a live act!!
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psycho-italiano
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Posted : Dec 20, 2008 09:27
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On 2008-12-19 23:45, leaetherstrip wrote:
"Parties are done for our ear not our Eyes" Do you see how insanely ridicoulous that sounds
So why do people spent hours on BEAUTIFUL AMAZING DECO and Vjing are we blind? why do people take hallucinogenic stimulants to see with our ears! So you are basically saying these peoples works is not appreciated or dont really care?! Or we walk around with our eyes clothes like zombies he he lol! No my friend LSD, Mushrooms, Dmt, are all Visual stimulants!
Other thing, people from different places have different exposure to live electronic music and you appreciate that, I grew up going to shows like front 242 a pioneer in the electronic music scene their live shows are amazing visually and sound wise!
Another thing not everyone is so fuck up on drugs also to loose track of time and just wonder around aimlessly and what is wrong to take a little time on the many hours of party to go look what the live performance is like.
If that makes you immature and preachy shit man I dont know what to say!
And I agree with Shahar I prefer or enjoy better a 3-4 dj set than a live act!!
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Wow…
Simply you missed the whole main message. And interpreted it exactly opposite…
First of all its not preaching…visa versa.
Second, read again what I wrote and try to understand what I meant.
3rd, I will re-explain in more simple English the message:
Parties are done for ears: that’s right. BUT it doesn’t mean we should make the party in a graveyard or scary ugly place. Colors and psychedelic stuff are most welcome. But the music source where the dj stands has nothing to do with this deco…. I mean, if you a pure psychedelic mind, then you are influenced from the music and colors around you but not from the dj show up there coz its for girls and teenagers.
Anyway….if you still didn’t get what I mean, then just forget….
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