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Real 303 owners, can I ask a favor
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mudpeople
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Posted : May 4, 2011 12:11:23
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Ive been using this 16bit sample as a bass instrument for a long while and I LOVE IT and love how it sounds, and lvoe that its a real analog sample. So far its what I turn to more often than not and I am not complaining at ALL.
Im happy with it the way it is, but, I had the idea to ask those of you who are lucky jerk owners of the real deal...
Would it be too much to ask to recreate this
http://www.mudpeople.lsdxm.com/SAMPLES/tb303bass23.wav
but in higher quality? (Ideally 64bit FP/88.2khz for the largest possible margin of error, but anythign higher than 16bit)
I dont have anything to offer in exchange, except credit for the sample or whatever is requested. Ill keep using what I got happily, but it would really revolutionize my tracks if i could go in and replace the old 16 with higher quality, even tho the 16 does just fine Id rather have too much than not enough, quality wise....
Just thought Id ask...
ps; reaper demo will record 64bit FP at whatever khz   . |
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Djones
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Posted : May 4, 2011 23:36
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willsanquil
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Posted : May 4, 2011 23:44
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Use phoscyon. It rocks. To my ears way better than ABL2 or any other 303 emulator out there and convincing enough that I don't feel any need to buy a real 303 or a xoxbox.
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PoM
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Posted : May 4, 2011 23:52
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+1 phosycon and process it a bit.
i was listening some oldshcool psy and then come that 303 riff that i guess was not even processed and omfg...there is nothing like this in recent psytrance ,i have t heard a authentic 303 riff since age in recent stuff,it make me wonder if plugins are that close to the real thing , if the plugs nail it could be that the sound is way more processed today so it hide the real caractere of the 303.(but i dont see the point as the 303 caractere is just so great ,even dry it could electrify the coldest crowd ,why hiding this with lot of processing...) |
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willsanquil
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Posted : May 5, 2011 00:07
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the thing thats so amazing about phoscyon for me is that you can automate the fuck out of the important parameters in a very intricate way - if i'm not mistaken it is impossible to do this with a real 303 yea?
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PoM
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Posted : May 5, 2011 00:20
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true and i think phocsycon is very close to the real thing .
but even if you can modulate, have total recall,save presets.... i would still pick sonic quality over this but in this case it may be negligable if the emulation is great .
it could be also these 303 sound i like sound too much from the 90s ,dated.. so they process it in different way to make it sound fresh or use some other plugs for acid sounds . |
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willsanquil
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Posted : May 5, 2011 00:35
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I'm all for sonic quality...but the convenience, ease of programming and the price of phoscyon trumps the 'real thing' for me.
Subra/Mike A said it best a while ago on here...even if phoscyon doesn't sound *exactly* like a 303 it sounds fucking amazing on its own merits 
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PoM
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Posted : May 5, 2011 00:37
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yeah agree everyone love this plug  some producers use it insteed of their real 303 (but it dont mean much to me, some will tell you some plugs nail exaclty the sound of a minimoog for example  ) |
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mudpeople
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Posted : May 5, 2011 02:05
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Well I do use other instruments as basses, of course...
Mainly I just wanted to see if I could get that specific sound in higher quality to replace the 16bit one.
Its been so long since I tried ABL2  i was n00b when i did. Also gonna look into phoscyon. The 303 freeware emulations ive found all are lacking presence in the low end. The best free 303 emu I found sound wise to be the 'TB-303 Rack' which has the basic controls minus the sequencer, and as i found, minus the fat low end. Thing sucks otherwise.
So far all the commercial vstis ive tried, which are the tau pro, alien303, and um i think thats it, are seriously lacking the broad dynamics of the real deal. Which is the reason Ive used that sample so often for going on 8 yrs now The Alien303 sounds like its got a plastic slurpee cup as part of the signal path in comparison.
On a Moog note since you mentioned it, Ive gotten som VERY pleasing sound from the Micromoon freeware emu, theres also the Arppe2600 made by the same person and also very nice sounding, and does a damn fine job of emulating patch-cable routings IMO. The Micromoon is the main lead now in my live setup.
If you couldn't tell I really dig on the analog sound and try to implement analog emulators as much as possible
But yeah, I was just hoping that one of those privledged with caretaking of the real thing, jerks tho they may be for getting to play with genuine Japanese circuitry when others go hungry, would be kind and generous and make me the happiest trancer this side of Cygnus X1 (the rush track not the actual black hole). But if not, I have no problem using the 16 bit version.
also heres the full rack of samples, a few are decent basses as well but nothing compares to sweet 23
http://www.mudpeople.lsdxm.com/SAMPLES/303%20basses.zip
and whoa @ 23, and wtf @ my JUST realizing that
Enigmatic.
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : May 5, 2011 02:14
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Im thinking of making my end work (writig shit) with comparison of the original to phoscyon.I could get it for free for it..,but am not sure if this is the right thing so no promise on this here..but if I decide for it Id have probably the time to bounce your idea - if I can..so no promise here but chances are high.Im sure they sound different.I love phoscyon to tha fullest thouhg..I think phoscyon might have even more to offer.It should be ok for a high acid sound for sure.For me its absolutely acidish
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mudpeople
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Posted : May 5, 2011 11:55
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working with phoscyon, so far its got a plasticy tint held up side by side (2 channels wiht constant 16ths) against the real one, and it lacks the deeper low of the TB, HOWEVER, that deeper low has always kind of bugged me somewhat, sometimes it gets muddy especially in lower octaves. So while I still plan to use the 303 (maybe with some lowend shelving), Ive got a few very similar (but not waveform-exact, whatever tho) new samples. Just found out i have Renoise set to record 44.1khz samples, so these are going to be 32bit 44.1khz, because its a holiday today.
http://www.mudpeople.lsdxm.com/SAMPLES/PH303attempt.rar
ANd then i spent like 2 seconds in ABL2 (took longer figuring out how to turn off the sequencer im tired what can i say) and made one REALLLLLLY damn close to the TB
http://www.mudpeople.lsdxm.com/ABL303DUPE01.wav . |
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PoM
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Posted : May 5, 2011 15:02
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dunno why most plugins lack deep and organic low and on top of that have mud in the lower mids..highs and low seems tricky to get right and as pleasant in digital ,eq,synths...everyhting
a friend have the original, he have it since the 90s and for him his tb303 eat any plugins but he say plugs are good enought when the main them of the track is not around a 303 riff.
but tbh he is very picky he argued with me for age telling me his 909 sound better than any recorded sample you can find on the net when played live, more dynamic, puunch...maybe he is right ,dunno... could be a little placebo lol |
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PoM
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Posted : May 5, 2011 15:55
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mudpeople you could give a try to a free synth called xhip, you can make some good bassline, some leads ,everyhting... if you dont mind the gui and learn the plug it might grow on you cause it can deliver the goods .
http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1427.html
another one is poly kb 2 ,this are the kind of synth i like to make full on with a vintage touch, in fact these day i hate all the modern sound like ni massive for full on leads. i like the sound with a vintage vibe and if you are after this i think you may like this one ,try it ,uhe ace is great too but it s hard to make it sound vintage like poly kb but great for many leads and fx. |
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Nectarios
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Posted : May 5, 2011 16:11
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mudpeople
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Posted : May 6, 2011 01:43
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PoM ive got xhip but havent gotten really into it, I liked that it came from trackers. I came from trackers too I went a little nuts seeking acid-tech type softs after watching a really enticing Doepfer Dark Energy video. (probably getting one of those once i can afford it )
Ill check out Trillian, and have heard that the Ace is a good analog-modular emu but yeah, hard to make it sound 'right'.
Im super surprised that theres as many free Virt-Analogs as there are, and they sound as good as they do, some like the Micromoon are kinda 'crashy' in Renoise but nothing major.
Im happy with the results from the softwares, even if they lack the fullness of the real thing, the fullness isnt exactly necessary for my usual purposes. Still hoping for a real TB sample, but got some other new sounds to play with so its easy to be patient . |
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