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Duby
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Posted : Jun 15, 2003 23:49
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Well this kind of stuff is happening too much in brazil... and it's really really sad...i think the problem is that the trance scene is becoming too comercial in brazil... the party producers only cares about the money.. they always want too much ppl at the parties to make money with it... they don't really care about the public security and now it's getting worse they don't care about the artists security either... it's a total shame... this weekend we had this kind of things happening in Sao Paulo and Rio de Janeiro... i think the scene is getting over... and i don't know what we can do about it... if u don't want to have problems don't go to comercial parties... i think the best solution is private parties... cheaper and much more safe...
sad... really really sad...
 
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Electronic Bungalow
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Posted : Jun 16, 2003 05:42
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Shame on the ppl who behave in the most egocentric and reckless manner possible, since many, and I mean it, MANY ppl are only capable of enjoying trance music by being totally stunned, and to achieve such state, don´t care if they´re in a public place, and by acting that way, they´re placing the innocent guy next to them in jeopardy, the club/party in jeopardy and the whole scene in jeopardy. Using drugs is still a very serious crime here in Brazil, capable of locking you up in jail from 6 months to 15 years !
Now...You are all really dreaming about this. Wake up ! If you think what happenned in Club A last Friday is a single incident, you´d better move to Holland.
Because from now on, the problem is not Club A or Club B. The scene managed to move against itself the ANA (National Anti Drug Agency).
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Electronic Bungalow
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Posted : Jun 16, 2003 13:50
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And more on this: When one goes inside a club to attend to a party, the entrance fee surely doesn´t entitle anyone to any sort of protection against a police raid on drugs, much less to any sort of protection in the case one´s seized by the police doing drugs.
Unless one is out of his mind and is expecting that the price paid to get in also includes lawyer´s fees to get you out of jail for PURPOSEDLY breaking the law, and since ppl seem to have entered the path of madness, maybe they are thinking that such money also includes an allowance for bribing the police out of their way, so they may continue doing drugs without any restriction whatsoever.
As the saying goes here in Brazil: If you go outside in a rainy day, you´re bound to get wet.
Then, the only reasonable way out of this mess is for ppl to quit doing drugs in public. Since they´re not going to do this spontaneously, the organizers are to enforce the law, and not allow for ANY sort of drugs to be used IN PUBLIC within their venues, even to evict ppl who insist upon doing that on their premises.
This isn´t too bad after all, since we know that ppl who go to those parties are devoted trance music lovers, aren´t they ? are they ? |
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GARU
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Posted : Jun 16, 2003 16:13
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and about the money of fatali , he received the payment of lost his time on that place ? and cops ttrow a can on him ?any answers? |
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Hg
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Posted : Jun 16, 2003 17:04
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Bungalow, I agree with most things you said... However, as I think of the *macro* police intervention situation here in Brazil, I see no "conspiracy" directed at the trance scene.
Regarding drugs, the situation is not different on Reggae parties, Hip Hop or even private "gatherings" on people's house. Marijuana, the most explicit drug and the only one cops catch at the act of using is a drug used not only in trance, but at EVERY big party.
Sometimes the cops appear at a party to ask for the licence (alvará), either because disturbed neighboors call or because they are too lazy to go after big criminals and big dealers, who knows? The FACT is that very few trance parties are closed and ruined by the cops. I go even further to say that the number of trance parties that are closed is smaller than the number of troubled indoor/private parties of other genres.
Geting back to the specific subject, I agree that people must be more careful with drugs. I'm sorry for the crowd and the artists who got somehow injured by the party.
What I dont understand is why they throw such a party in a f***** club, in the middle of Sao Paulo? Trance was not made for indoors imo. Indoor parties cause troubles, plus people cant free themselves and enjoy trance in the same manner as outdoor parties (imo).
To conclude, I'm not (at all) worried about the future of trance in Brazil, or to go to parties... It's a selective process.
fatali, see you in Brasilia, on the 27th!
Peace and Light!
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Electronic Bungalow
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Posted : Jun 16, 2003 20:48
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As for Fatali: About his money I can only suggest for him to sue the organizer to try & get his money. As for the can thrown at him by the police: He should try and sue the police. |
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Fatali
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Posted : Jun 16, 2003 22:21
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hey there brazilien freaks 
first off all i wont sue anyone
its their shit u know
if they dont want to pay so cool.im still alive and kicking
its their problems
im just a bit disapointed u know
i came to brasil to have fun and play some music
not to start to fight with the police and clubs owners
so u know
anyway
lets hope the next event will be better
cheers pepole
and take care
peace...
http://www.facebook.com/fatalifanpage
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Drope
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Posted : Jun 16, 2003 22:36
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I can´t really understand what´s all that fuss about... I´ve been posting in some foruns the end of the ravers manifesto and will do the same here... raves aren´t supposed to be legal! Commercial parties only exist to make it possible for organizers to make a lot of money... Any where in the world parties get raided by the police... that´s the most common kind of stuff...
If u are not really a raver, doesn´t know what PLUR means, are not interest in the forging of a new world... if u´re just going to hv a good time with some friends, take some shit and get wasted (without running any risk at all), u´d better stay home  cause this is not raving at all 
bottomline is: do not matter what happened this friday in Rio and SP, we will keep on raving, keep on PLUR thoughts and attitudes, if u wanna rave in paradise COME TO BRASIL, cause we will keep on rockin the scene, not because of an absense in policial repression, but in spite of it 
Ravers Manifesto
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Our enemy of choice is ignorance.
Our weapon of choice is information.
Our crime of choice is breaking and challenging whatever laws you feel you need to put in place to stop us from celebrating our existence.
But know that while you may shut down any given party,
on any given night,
in any given city,
in any given country or continent on this beautiful planet,
you can never shut down the entire party.
You don't have access to that switch,
no matter what you may think.
The music will never stop.
The heartbeat will never fade.
The party will never end.
I am a raver, and this is my manifesto.
anonymous
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Beto
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Posted : Jun 17, 2003 18:54
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I am sorry to hear that Raoni.
I was supposed to play this night at Club A with Jonas Bergvall but they cancelled.
S*** happens my friends. We need to be prepared for that.
Beto RL
"All the world need is peace..."
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fabio_carioca
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Posted : Jun 18, 2003 19:55
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I really quite don´t get all the anxiety of ppl and become as astonished as EB with this parcial view, blaming organizers for police raids all over.
Let´s put stuff in different points of view, please.
One, is to deal with the real situation that Psytrance is underground and will keep like this for a long time, even if we see big events and nightclubs playing it. The status of psychedelia, PLUR and outdoor will always prevail even if we try to avoid some of them sometimes. Such as drugs.
No point thinking about a musical scene as e-music, psytrance with the absence of drugs, from the creation upto the ravers, dancing.
Not here to talk in favor, otherhand, this is the reality. So, let´s deal with it, each one with it´s own responsability.
The responsability of the user is to have in mind that he can be harmfull to the scene with his behaviour, not speaking the self abuse of drugs ( any kind ).
The role of the producer is to shape his event in a way to prevent all costs the behaviour of the audience to be harmfull to the event.
If you wont let ppl naked or having sex in public, why leting ppl abusing forbidden drugs? Upon your responsability, even worse.
i mean, maybe the owner of Club A has as much responsability as the ppl using drugs inside, just by leeting them do this.
I say again, not only we have to expect improvement on music quality, new projects, but new audience behaviour.
And organization as well.
By the time organizers and audience start to work togethr, listening to their needs and sometimes having attitudes not always tolerated, such as ( for exmpl ) FORBIDDING THE USE OF INHALANTS in the events, maybe we could have a more serious scene, By these, i mean all the liquid drugs ppl use to get stoned and disminishing the cappability of listening and enjoying the real music.
ok, everyone can do what they want, respect.
But , when ppl behaviour start to harm more than themselves, time to step back and think again.
Who and when we will see the first step being taken towards this new situation, new possibilities, ones, with the real PSYTRANCE as being the reason of the night? |
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full_on
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Posted : Jun 18, 2003 20:54
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I agree... Words of wisdow...
But as long as I can see we can only start by giving the example...
Respect!
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...Be gentle with the earth...
...Dance like nobody's watching...
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...I don't mind not going to Heaven, as long as they've got Coffee in Hell... |
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Electronic Bungalow
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Posted : Jun 18, 2003 21:49
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Just placing things in perspective: In my last mesg about this, I didn´t blame any organizers, right on the contrary, I´ve focused only on ppl who attend the parties, blaming their behaviour. But I didn´t blame them there, much more to stick to my focus, which was the audience, than for their (the organizer´s) lack of guilt in this mess.
The organizers are another chapter in this ill-writen comic strip. Underground is one thing, to print 100.000 flyers with the banner "Friendly Security Staff" inscribed on to it, goes well beyond the limits of the so called underground, not to mention it shows no common-sense at all.
I agree that the idea of "raving around" underlines the need of a free-spirited, no limits environment, having the PLUR acronym enveloping the whole concept.
Problem is that the "R" letter in that PLUR statement has a bi-directional meaning. You are only respected when you respect. Respect alone is a meaningless word. It only builds up towards a full-blown concept when a "respectfull" attitude is developed in general, by all parts involved, thru the mutual exchange of ideas, leading to compromises which should naturally arise out of such exchanges.
If not so, Respect is as fake as it can be. My point with all this stuff is that, it is ok for any raver to behave in any manner he sees fit. But no point in talking about Respect then. Because if ppl or groups of ppl that may feel offended out of such behavior, may also behave according to any manner they see fit. Which usually tends to lead all parts to a f***ing war.
Which, btw, has nothing to do with Respect, as it is two or more groups of ppl trying to impose their views on the other, with total disregard for any form of Respect at all. |
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Drope
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Posted : Jun 18, 2003 22:24
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 EB
It's nice to come to that... Respect is even wilder than between individuals. We need a holistic approach on respect concept... We gotta respect the sistem as a role... Clubs are different from outdoors... it's a most wise thought to keep in mind where we are... and respect that...
everyone...
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MaLborO_
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Posted : Jun 19, 2003 03:35
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By the time organizers and audience start to work togethr, listening to their needs and sometimes having attitudes not always tolerated, such as ( for exmpl ) FORBIDDING THE USE OF INHALANTS in the events, maybe we could have a more serious scene, By these, i mean all the liquid drugs ppl use to get stoned and disminishing the cappability of listening and enjoying the real music.
ok, everyone can do what they want, respect.
But , when ppl behaviour start to harm more than themselves, time to step back and think again.
Who and when we will see the first step being taken towards this new situation, new possibilities, ones, with the real PSYTRANCE as being the reason of the night?
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totally agree with u fabio_carioca |
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Gugha
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Posted : Jun 19, 2003 08:44
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I totally agree with Carioca, BEHAVIOUR is the key word.
Each one knows about your own life, but at the moment that you are doing drugs im public, you are compromising everybody around...I think that everybody is tired of listening that Raves are synonym of places to use drugs freely.
In my opinion we arrived at a moment that we need to have conscience of whats going on. Forbidding is not the solution, respect and behaviour are the way to be followed... |
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