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Maska
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Posted : Jan 30, 2010 04:18
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On 2010-01-28 21:58, TimeTraveller wrote:
yes .Master it at amateur level  I think - 8 and -9 rms is waay to loud.
Or it is pain for ears it should have almost no dynamics with such end result or db rms.
Some of Xenomorph tracks got an avarage of -12 and it sound great at least for me.
..louder than lots of those with a louder avarage rms.I think because of good mixing skills.
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You are right....Xenmorph's stuff is nice and mellow (no hurt on ears), but it is sounds so good and strong at the same time....Especially really loud...
I think the trend now is to go too loud...I love shift, but some of his earlier stuff kills my ears in highs......
Overall, though its tight.
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dreadieg
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Posted : Jan 30, 2010 05:50
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the track in question is secrets of whim (i know its a terrible track, but work with me here)
it starts at -2.6(ish) and finishes at -0.03
and yet it's super quite....
should i bounce it to audio and the master it?
(again, my lack of insight here hinders the actual explanation i'm sure....) |
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EtherealMotive
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Posted : Feb 2, 2010 07:02
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@ dreadieg, what is it you want to know? All I hear is mud. In terms of "loudness" if thats what you were aiming for, I think you pushed the track into the limiter much too far. |
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dreadieg
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Posted : Feb 2, 2010 07:18
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after messing with the mastering a bit i brought to the volume up a good bit...
i'm just curious where people mix their tracks at...
someone told me to have the bass at -3 and the kick slightly more than that, but after experimenting, i've found that doesn't always come out how i'd like it to....
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makus
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Posted : Feb 2, 2010 10:17
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sorry, but as of the numbers like bass -3 its pure awkwardness.
it does have sense only from this point: if you start a track with, say, a kick drum, it would probably be nice to have some headroom over it, so you start mixing it with -10db or -7, and never move its volume fader. if something starts to play loud - you make this part quiter. your kick becomes a constanta for leads, percs, pads and fx. this way you will always have headroom, won't go clip, and will have a clear mix.
but this is a pure mixing. until you get a perfect sounding, bright, tight, fat mix don't even think about mastering. the aim of mastering is to make track ready for printing it on a cd or vinyl, not to make it sound better. in fact, any operation beyond that names editing, not mastering lol. whats the point of making bad sounding track louder?
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makus
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Posted : Feb 2, 2010 10:20
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in the case if you are aiming for mastering skills, you should probably take some good sounding track from a friend, rtfm and master it.
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-=Mandari=-
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Posted : Feb 2, 2010 13:40
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no dood,
not meant offending, but imo you should finish reading bob katz "mastering audio" (or similiar to your taste) first and go after for working practical on your knowledge.
the case you mentioned is trial and error and takes years to understand just the basics of mastering....
the book is with the most impressing i read about music stuff and it´s only available in english.
have fun, enjoy
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gutter
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Posted : Feb 2, 2010 15:03
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Im with makus
No reason to mix loud, when you can start down there, no way to clip
Is it wrong to have your peaks @ -3 or -4 dbfs and your RMS at -15 to -12 ?
My mixes end up usually there
Ive discussed that with very good mastering engineer and its the last thing, the very very last thing you need to have, a loud mix
i've been advised to focus on the depth, coherence, balance, stereo image and generally what make a good mix, good
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makus
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Posted : Feb 3, 2010 17:38
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sure. if you master own track, and have access to the project and can fix everything on the mixing stage, why bother equing something out on the mastering stage?
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Feb 3, 2010 19:17
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On 2010-02-03 17:38, makus wrote:
sure. if you master own track, and have access to the project and can fix everything on the mixing stage, why bother equing something out on the mastering stage?
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Your mix will depend on your room, and how it interacts with your monitors... often when I'm mastering I find I can tell whether people's rooms are very reflective (lacking in top end as the room emphasises it too much) or if their monitors are too close to the walls (bass light, because the closeness of the walls boosts the bass they hear)... yet the tracks are still "internally consistent", ie. every sound has the same amount of top end lacking, or the same amount of extra bass. In these cases even the best producer will make a mix with these errors, because it's not their skills that are lacking - but mastering the track in the same room will not fix the mistakes!
Mastering a track outside the room in which it was made, with independant ears, allows these kinds of mix errors to be corrected for.
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makus
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Posted : Feb 3, 2010 21:20
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yeah i agree on that. however i'm not claiming that mastering engineer would not touch eq at all. sometimes he has to but these are going to be small changes. like +1-1.5 db of highs, or a bit lowshelving. in this track the author posted i would try to fix errors while mixing.
in genreal a vast majority of psytrance music which is being released nowadays needs more or less interference on the final stage. many producers who make psy don't have well-treated rooms and expensive gear, or experience which would help them make well balanced tunes on shit speakers.
but we trying to improve! 
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PoM
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Posted : Feb 4, 2010 05:23
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you might need equing cause of the tools used at mastering too,for example it can be better to cut more bass cause some limiters will bring them back in , lot of things like that you can t know during mixing stage cause it s different for every track |
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Elad
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Posted : Feb 4, 2010 14:02
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PoM
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Posted : Feb 4, 2010 15:11
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it s 3.01 db i think,you have a setting in the rme if you want to use it with the steinberg norm ,but rme is right ,they use the standart that have always been used in audio but it seems steinberg changed that.i was talking with a friend about that , he explained me rme setting should be the standart technicaly but don t reemember much, i can t explain why...
quoting bob katz :The "convention" that Steinberg uses is only for digital geeks who have spent their entire life in theory and digital design and who never used an analog peak meter in their life
All they keep thinking is that since the RMS voltage of a peak is 0.707 X the peak, then the decibels should also be reduced by 3 dB. But they FORGET the entire principle of RELATIVE DECIBELS and references. The REFERENCE 0 dB for peak level is determined with a sine wave whose RMS is 0 dB... this has been the practice for over 60 years! |
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dreadieg
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Posted : Feb 4, 2010 20:31
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alright then, it's very obvious that i need to invest some more time researching mixing and mastering.
(christ making psytrance takes forever to learn how to do properly!!!) |
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