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kabbalisticvillage
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Posted : Sep 26, 2010 16:17:10
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I am a little confused about clipping.........im starting to do mixdowns now on my songs and i know the most important things is not clipping...so in my mixer in fl studio i have the master at the default..and im lowering the individual mixers as i see fit.....the problem is that sometimes none of my individual tracks are clipping(i can see this clearly from the db meters on each one)but the master is clipping.....what does this mean?
does it mean that theres to much going on or that i have to keep on lowering volumes?
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Psydust
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Posted : Sep 26, 2010 16:36
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the most important thing in mixing is how your elements sound with respect to each other.. how they sit in the mix in other words.. clipping is caused by sounds overlapping with each other that belong to the same frequency domain.. if you identify which ones are problematic, try limiting them. |
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elastic_plastic
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Posted : Sep 26, 2010 18:37
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well correct me if imm wrong.... definitely clipping can be due to higher volume and also due to freq clashing. you could also try better eq posibilites in order to avoid tht. i have not tried limiting it though im sure like psydust mentioned it can be done.
do not concentrate on individual channel volumes. what matters is the master level. if that is not clippin then i think all is fine and ur ready to go  |
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Kryten
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Posted : Sep 26, 2010 20:21
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If you use multiple sounds whcih peak at the same frequency ranges, then this results in a higher amplitude for that range and can cause clipping.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Sep 27, 2010 00:00
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Sep 27, 2010 00:05
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also if you have f.e. two sounds on same frequency you will hear only the louder signal although the output will be twice that loud.Therefor use eq.
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maxee
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Posted : Sep 27, 2010 00:53
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" To fix this, reduce the master fader level until the clipping stops. "
I have a question here!
I always tend to do this while making Songs,but when mixing,i fade down my single tracks so that i can have my master track at a good level for the mastering.
I always thought if i give a low master output to the mastering engineer,the comps/limiters will not only make louder but also amplify all the dirt in the signal (background noise etc).
i mean,how far thoes this matter?
Please help me clarify this mystery ,guys !
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Psydust
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Posted : Sep 27, 2010 05:29
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lowering the master fader level will indeed work, however it will undermine the volume of the whole track. lets say your bass is -10db, then if you reduce the master volume it will get even lower. i rarely even touch it. after carefully deciding which eltement would play at what level, by touching it you mess up everything. sounds kind of anal, i know. the most i could do when the song is ready, reduce master by not more than -0.30 %, dont ask me where the number came from, its a long story. |
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dija
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Posted : Sep 27, 2010 06:06
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the idea of a mix is to get it as good and even volume wise as you can all the way across. rms etc.... without mashing the signal or clipping. so your job is to produce a high quality dynamic of sound and your master bus has nothing to do with it. i'd suggest always working on individual channels but the point is if the master fader need to come down then the volume is not even enough in your track and you shoudl reevaluate your compression and arrangement of the track. also it should be noted that the lower a frequency the more power it needs to be heard for example your hats will pull way less power on your mixer than than bassline or kick and still fit into the mix fine.
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klippel
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Posted : Sep 27, 2010 07:47
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On 2010-09-27 00:00, Colin OOOD wrote:
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It means that your individual sounds are combining to produce a peak level above 0dB. To fix this, reduce the master fader level until the clipping stops.
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uh. correct me if i am wrong but every once in a while somebody in this forum (thinking of you colin ) says "don´t lower the master fader, in fact don´t touch it, cause it will lower the bit depth (or whatever) at least in cubase ?
so that would mean go back to you original busses and channels and correct the loudness from there (which is of course painfull after having mixed everything to a nice balance first) so a workaround would be maybe drop in sony oxford inflator on the master and decrease the volume to taste with it with little or no effect turned on in the inflator (unless wanted) to lower down the unperturbed signal without affecting internal bit depth of cubase??
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tim
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orgytime
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Posted : Sep 27, 2010 08:44
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do it like tom cosm^^ dont waste to much time with this and put a limiter on the master xD
for me it clipps most of the time because of my layered claps/snares... i ignore it until the track is finished, not touching the master fader... maybe try to eq the problematic freqs (not easy if you want to keep the cool snap of a snare for example...).
just do not bounce clipping tracks...
the clipping also gives me a little idea of track-levels... for example, im thinking of putting down volume of some leadsounds if it clipps to much there...
the next question what you will have is: "those clips dont let me make my track loud in the mastering section"
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daark
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Posted : Sep 27, 2010 09:19
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ascention told me that my kick is too loud and that i should make it -10db.
now i barely reach -4db... still expereminting with this. (but it took all the fun of fighting the peaks when my kick was -4.2db .)
now, i really don't worry about clipping.
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Alekzis
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Posted : Sep 27, 2010 12:15
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If you reduce the master fader's level you just reduce the dynamic range of your whole track. and this is definitely a BAD thing.
If your master channel is clipping find which sounds are clashing and use an eq on the individual tracks. Never touch the master fader. |
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klippel
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Posted : Sep 27, 2010 12:18
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On 2010-09-27 12:15, Alekzis wrote:
If you reduce the master fader's level you just reduce the dynamic range of your whole track. and this is definitely a BAD thing.
If your master channel is clipping find which sounds are clashing and use an eq on the individual tracks. Never touch the master fader.
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why does pulling down your master fader reduce your dynamic range? can you please elucidate a bit more on that? bitdepth aside, reducing the fader would reduce all elements by the same amount, hence keeping the dynamic range the same, just at lower overall volume, no?
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daark
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Posted : Sep 27, 2010 14:09
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if ur dynamic range was : infinity till 0
you reduce to : infinity till -4db and u have 4db spare just in case u'll need it. and your signal got closer to the ocean of noise.
what doesn't bother you cause 75% of pa systems have a beautiful hum that will cover your mess anyway. (especialy at clipping volume)
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