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Wanka Tanka
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Posted : Jul 12, 2005 04:03
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Hello guys
Looking in some others threads here in this forum I note that many artists that releases their songs uses Fruity Loops so my ask for help is for them
Anyone of you ( Atma, Sattle/Battle, EYB and others..)can post tutorials about some advanced features of this imho powerful sequencer ?? I would love to know about making a Sidechaing in FL and things like that...but its so hard to get on the net this kind of tutorial.
big respect for all of you
thanks
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Cybernetika
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Posted : Jul 12, 2005 05:01
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Sidechaining in FL is actually quite easy, although the result is not really always satisfying.
It basically goes like this. You send your bass and your kick to two different FX channels. Now add a "Fruity Send" unit to both of them and set both Fruity Sends to the same send channel. Now you select the desired send channel where you routed bass and kick. In this send FX channel you add the "Fruity Soft Clipper" and adjust threshold until it sounds good. |
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EYB
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Posted : Jul 12, 2005 05:58
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There are several ways to do sidechaining.
U can use plugins like the kjearhus golden compressor or TC electronics sc compresssor. If u use the tc electronics compressor just use it at the channel u want to compress and use the sidechain vst at the channel that u want to send the signal for sidechaining to the comp.
U can also use a fruiyt peak controller on a channel to controll the volume of another. Just set the peak controller on the channle that u want to controll the volume of another channle, e.g. on the kick to controll the volume for the bass. Deactivate the little mute button in the right corner in order to hear the kick 
Now u can go to ur bass fx channel > right click on the volume fader > select 'link to controller' > select at internal contoller ur peak controller the peak funtion not lfo function. Now u need to play ur bass and kick line and adjust the base and volume settings of the peak controller to get a good result.
But I think using sc compressors is the better way if u want compressed sounds.
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orange
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Posted : Jul 12, 2005 17:26
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i would not prefer to sidechain in fl it has some weird resoltes in my ears for me better resoltes is when you compress each channel seperately in fl cause you have better controle over the sound and it sounds better in my ears but always depend what compressor plug in your using
i find sidechaining works better in cubase then in fruity but thats my opinion i dont say others have to do it like i said iff it works for you keep it like this
i explain why i dont like it
cause it makes the kick and bass to click higher then +6db if you want the bass or kick to have a tail the tail cause its lower in db then the comp can reach it clips so you have to lower the volume a lot to stop it and the sound is becoming lifeless and you have to lower all the volumes in the mix to compensate the volume gap my opinion again
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Wanka Tanka
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Posted : Jul 13, 2005 01:24
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many thanks for this useful insights and opinions guys for sure I will try many advices given from yours
thanks !
BoOm
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Catoclysma
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Posted : Nov 6, 2005 19:47
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I agree with "orange-atropa"
I am use FL and my recomendation is to compress Kick&Bass in the same channel.
Its better to compress them together, in this way you will not lose the collor of the sound! |
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orange
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Posted : Nov 6, 2005 20:02
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you agree with me but we say 2 different things mate read better what i said i didnt said to compress kick and bass in tha same channel but seperately in 2 different channels!!
compressing kick and bass in the same channel will totaly destroy the energy of kick and bass and not to mention you will not be able to eq them properly!!
orange
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Boohna
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Posted : Dec 11, 2005 20:23
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On 2005-11-06 20:02, orange-atropa wrote:
you agree with me but we say 2 different things mate read better what i said i didnt said to compress kick and bass in tha same channel but seperately in 2 different channels!!
compressing kick and bass in the same channel will totaly destroy the energy of kick and bass and not to mention you will not be able to eq them properly!!
orange
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man your are right and you arent right. It depends on the settings(ratio,threshold) and on the kick and the bassline for sure.IMHO.
Audio1 kick
Audio 2 Bassline
Group channel (audio1+audio2) Compressor, (good settings...) |
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orange
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Posted : Dec 11, 2005 21:13
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On 2005-12-11 20:53, nolightatend wrote:
It doesn't make sidechain. Do you know what is sidechain at all? It's using amplitude of one signal to draw compression on other, if you take two audio channels and send them to group in Fruity Loops you create one complex channel, with two sounds! Now how the fuck Fruity Loops or Compressor should know which one is used as envelope to compression and which one should be compressed.
That's why some of you have strange results while side chaining in Fruity Loops, because you don't know what is side chain, you just apply plugin and think it makes all alone, crap. You just compress group, which is way different then side chain.
Listen to what EYB, wrote. There are couple of way to side chain with different plugins, unfortunately Fruity Loops have lousy mixer so it is imposible to use all of them, which in fac much more precise, although you can use EYB's methods since these are the only ways to compress with Fruity Loop's mixer.
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yeap i agree!! thats why i said better not to sidechain at all in fl cos it uses a crapy sidechain method for it so seperately compressing is the best way in fl
kick - fx channel 1>eq>comp
bass - fx channel 2>eg>comp
or whatever you feel like using
but eqing and compressing kick and bass in the same channel will definately have some strange resoltes and usualy the sound with the more volume will cover the other! so whats the point of doing that even with the best comp settings?? the sound will be lousy!
better not to compress at all!!
orange
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Elad
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Posted : Dec 12, 2005 10:48
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peak controler is better then sidechain 
it can use for anything control on anything
i say it again since u dont believe/know this kinda stuff .. anything to control on anything... with volume amplitude..
i can make with this sidechain not only to compressor tresh/ratio i can also sidechain volume to eq if u like.. or as i like to filters.. much more then sidechain compressor.
wanka tanka - fruity have the best help files.. use them. they didnt missed a thing.
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Braindrop
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Posted : Dec 14, 2005 14:57
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peak controler is better then sidechain
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Correct!
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