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PoM
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Posted : Jul 2, 2006 14:55
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sometimes i like to use rbass but usually i try to have the sound i want just with tweaking the synth ,with the less eq possible. |
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br0d
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Posted : Jul 4, 2006 14:35
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Generally, and this goes for not just bass but every single aspect of production, it is BETTER to fix a problem closer to the source, than it is to fix a problem closer to the finished product.
So if you try to fix it with the mastering, that's bad.
If you can fix it with the bass compression, good.
If you can fix it with the bass EQ, even better.
If you can fix it with the VSTi's VCA, even better.
If you can fix it with the VSTi's VCF, even better.
If you can fix it with the VSTi's OSCs, even better.
If you can fix it with the patch selection, even better.
If you can fix it with the VSTi selection, even better.
If you can fix it with the MIDI note length, vel, etc, even better.
If you can fix it with the bass' MIDI pattern and the placement of notes, best.
Earlier = better = more control = more purity.
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fregle
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Posted : Jul 4, 2006 20:26
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On 2006-06-14 15:28, MonasticSquid wrote:
dude... think of it like a sculpture......
When u carve stone or wood into a sculpture..... u select a piece 'big enough' to allow u to 'chip away'.. revealing the sculpture'........... u dont 'add' bits of stone or wood to it.....
I see 'Bass Creation' in the same way...........
take a 'Big Fat Ugly Knarly Bass sound/patch.. whatever...... something that.... when looked at in a spectral analyser....... contains pretty much all freqs under the sun 
....... then using eq, compression, maybe the odd enhancer.... whatever.... you shape (sculpt) the sound u want..........the Sculpturer 'chips away material' to reveal the statue..... and u should 'subtract' away the freqs u dont want (EQ).... to reveal the 'Bass sound' u want....
... that is my personal approach..... (but if u dont have a 'decent' pair of monitors.... then u will have difficulty 'sculpting' anything of worth (as I found before I bought Studio Monitors)
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what a beautifull metaphore... And very correct too  i concur entirely
also, muddyness is not always bad, u can cut the mud with another EQ by cutting out the unwanted freq's. but if u start by boosting, enhancing, then another EQ to cut the mud and some more effects then u can assume that u are going the wrong way entirely, u shouldn't need that much processing tools to get a good bass for psytrance... |
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Jul 6, 2006 15:46
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here is a nice trick i've found out while fighting with various bass sounds to fit into my tracks. It's a bit complicated but works really nice. Here we go:
- you have a bass patch and you need to EQ it. Hard thing about EQ-ing is that you need to EQ out the odd harmonics between the fundamental pitch and octaves but that changes when you change the pitch of your bass line. So most of EQ-ing on a bass line is like finding the balance in cuting out wierd harmonic content without damaging the fundamental frequencies. Almoust like waiting for the sun to rise in a cave facing north. No chance!
- OhmForce QuadFrohmage is an excelent tool that (among other tasks) is capable to EQ on the fly according to the midi note pitch. Simply "send" midi notes from bassline track to QuadFrohmage and assign a probe to monitor the midi pitch. Probe has it's envelope so here is where you can adjust the response of the midi probe.
- Set first filter to notch and to 125 Hz and assign a frequency to follow midi pitch probe with amount of 24%. That will simulate keybordtracking and notch filter will move and follow the notes cuting out different spot for each note. Cute... isn't it?
- Make a serial routing and dial the second filter frequency to a 500 Hz with equal assigment as the first filter. Now you're geting some quite nice bassline allready.
- Maybe you'll like another notch on 2kHz and aditional lowpass filter on 2500 or 4000 Hz or maybe some hipass filter on 32 Hz instead... experiment a bit.
Remember, Quad has many types of filters. You can combine notch and moog, comb, 2 of 4 pole, ring etc. Notch has 2 different types available and with resonance you can control the bandwidith of the filter. Resonance can easily follow midi velocity with seting another probe to follow midi velocity. Other 4 probes can monitor the input level or levels of individual filterbands.
Furthermore, each filterband is equiped with nice distortion and limiter for filter and limiter for distortion. Distortion gain, shape and limiter can also follow one of probes with basic or XADSR envelope. A nice LFO section is also present so each function can easily be spiced up with some LFO also. Each band can be delayed very precisely. So if you want a true stereo bass line with a feel of chorus... it's just a click away.
Once you master this technique you'll find out that almoust any bass patch can fit into any track.
If you like this kind of "sculpturing" there's no limit. Synth lines works just as fine with Quad. Make a 100% wet kick reverb and load Quad over it and shape the kick reverb to fade in after initial attack of the kick and shape the filter with LFO. The worst reverb unit easily becomes awsome FX with quite uniqe sound.
If you want a unique sound than Quad is the tool you should not ignore. It rocks on hi hats as well and when it comes to filtering the pads and synths.... it's ireplaceble.
Fuck EQ, as long as you have a midi notes to follow 
 "It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Jul 6, 2006 17:26
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Nice one I guess you can also do this with a synth that has two filters placed one after the other (like a Virus or similar), with a notch filter on the second filter, set to key-follow. The only problem would be that you're limited to a quantized filter-depth: 2pole, 4pole, 6pole, etc.
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