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question about using other peoples riffs
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goa-hunter
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Posted : Jun 4, 2009 18:09:12
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question about using other peoples riffs , i dont want to steal and claim for my own or anything like that , say i just want to pay tribute to a riff or melody by putting it in my track , not sampled but me doing it , u could call if a cover or a remix but i dont really use everything in a song maybe just a melody , if how should i state that its not my riff yet not get called a rip off or cheat or fiddler or a robber or a nastyman?
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shellbound
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Posted : Jun 4, 2009 18:20
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just do it (for your own amusement). if you are going to put out the track commercially, then worry about these things. otherwise, i don't think it's really such a big deal. though, i guess it really depends on how prominently it is featured in your track. if it's really the central piece of it around which everything else is built, then might as well call it a remix.
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the daleks
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Posted : Jun 5, 2009 11:49
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its been done alot already.
alot of familiar riffs are reincorporated into new songs, as there are many phrase changes in electronic music...
midi files are open game. just up to you to make it groove
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jun 5, 2009 11:52
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Elad
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Posted : Jun 5, 2009 12:05
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thats extra lame
if its tribute then name it as cover or tribute , no games around it...
i meen , azax vs slayer.. it sounds good but it doesnt meen its leagal or nice in any way!
karma police will make him listen to alot of celin dion sometime im sure lolz
anywayz why bother , much more fun to make new riffs ? www.sattelbattle.com
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ohshit
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Posted : Jun 5, 2009 12:37
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Often i start trying to replicate some riffs and i finish with something completely different! 
For me the copy process could be inspirational...
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goa-hunter
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Posted : Jun 5, 2009 13:01
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On 2009-06-05 12:05, Elad wrote:
thats extra lame
if its tribute then name it as cover or tribute , no games around it...
i meen , azax vs slayer.. it sounds good but it doesnt meen its leagal or nice in any way!
karma police will make him listen to alot of celin dion sometime im sure lolz
anywayz why bother , much more fun to make new riffs ?
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i think u may have missed the point in the firstplace and plus , if i hadnt of used a melody from 'track x' then the concept of it being mixed with something else (witch could create a whole new idea)wouldn not of been, then no one would hear the beauty of a good idea someone might have....
oh and btw u should tell all that to simon posford , he would laugh in your face and then carry on making an awesome rendition of the theme from sleepy hollow(example). |
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jizy
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Posted : Jun 5, 2009 13:42
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do it then mate, u wont face the death penalty. Have fun , u got a burnin hot idea get it down and dirty with your DAW
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jizy
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Posted : Jun 5, 2009 13:44
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On 2009-06-05 11:52, disco hooligans wrote:
I do it all the time
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i dont do this or incorage it. but here what i wana do to all your records
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jun 5, 2009 13:55
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On 2009-06-05 13:44, jizy wrote:
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On 2009-06-05 11:52, disco hooligans wrote:
I do it all the time
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i dont do this or incorage it. but here what i wana do to all your records
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You are welcome to buy all of them
:edit they've sold out over the years actually, only Amazon stocks a few. Hard luck.
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jizy
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Posted : Jun 5, 2009 14:31
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good one mate. Alot of repect to ya
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Obelizk
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Posted : Jun 5, 2009 15:08
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why steal riffs? How does that help music evolve? If it happens accidentally, that can happen, but using them purposely I don't see why anyone would do that.
Learning purposes would be a good use, I suppose, like looking through some infected midis would probably be helpful.
Or. Just as in some classical music there are little one liners from other peoples' songs used just for a cool effect, like quotes from movies are used in psy.
I can only see using other people's basslines, possibly, because there aren't a million different ways to make a 2 bars of kbbb.
I guess it's all personal preference though.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jun 5, 2009 15:14
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It comes down to this. Everything has been done before. Its not like people go and copy the exact same midi files and slap their names over afterwards...well except maybe x-noize with that anjuna beach track, or whatever it was called.
Speaking for my self, I have been influenced by certain music in my life, trance, jazz, rock, so when I sit in front of the keyboard subconsiously, my fingers play familiar scales, maybe half a scale off some old Kox Box tune and half a scale off some old Deedrah track, combined to yield something new...that sort of thing.
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shellbound
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Posted : Jun 5, 2009 17:22
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On 2009-06-05 15:08, Obelizk wrote:
why steal riffs? How does that help music evolve? If it happens accidentally, that can happen, but using them purposely I don't see why anyone would do that.
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who's talking about stealing riffs? are you saying you can't consciously include a phrase as a tribute to the original creator or because there's some metadata associated with it (title, personal history of the creator, whatever) that gives a deeper meaning to your piece? i mean, this is done ALL the time in literature and cinema. we don't live in a vacuum, so there are references to something outside of ourselves everywhere. it's almost like an inside joke. only on global scale.
i played in various metal bands and in one of our songs a couple of notes reminded one of us of some cheesy phil collins song. he randomly started playing it and we all joined in and laughed our asses off. shit was funny to us, so we played this "tribute" to phil collins at some of our shows for shits-n-giggles. is that wrong? we were certainly capable of writing our own riffs. we wrote hundreds of them. and we were also capable of laughing at ourselves. and phil collins. and you can bet your ass there were nights where most people didn't even really catch that, but there was always some guy in the back going "holy shit, is that phil collins?" and it totally made his night. which i can understand, since i LOVE noticing these small little things when they are done right and in context.
so, whatever. this could be along the same lines and could go either way. depends on what you do with it. dj shadow "stole" a bunch of tiny snippets from some old record and created a brilliant album that's more musical than 90% of all the "original" music out there.
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Elad
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