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question about speakers (the tone option)
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psyraal
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Posted : Jun 10, 2013 16:12:30
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hi freaks, i have this really old speakers that i used a lot of times back when i was only starting at this production thingy, i really learned how to 'arm' my sounds with decent mixes through theses motherfuckers but there's a button here that always gave me the chills, the tone button. (also, this pair will have to do since my geminis aren't home yet.)
now, my question is, given that this button enhances the high end frequencies, should i have it set to the middle (not a button, a knob i mean), or should i have set to minimum (none)? i don't want it to mess up, so i need it to be off, problem is i can't really figure out if in order to have it no none, should the knob be set to the middle or to absolute zero.
thx in advance
 
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zwarag
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Posted : Jun 10, 2013 16:35
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-0 db would be the neutral position imo.
BUT in the end it doesn't even matter - linkin park
what i want to say is:
If you know your blasters you, "know" how they affect your sound.
So just set them so like you had it before OR set them as you like them to sound, and if you know you put 3 db on highs so the sound goes along with your room, then just take the tops away when exporting the sound. |
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psyraal
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Posted : Jun 10, 2013 16:40
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it's not that easy, i mean i just the speakers to represent the real sounds, and not having the tone knob messing with my head
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zwarag
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Posted : Jun 10, 2013 16:48
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take a tune you know very well!! and then play it.
if you feel like a hat from this tune is not loud as you had it in mind, turn the potti up a bit. or if its to loud, turn it down a bit. try to "rebuild" your settings you had. THEN become one with your boom boom boxes. so that you really recognize where there are the differences between your geminis and the old ones. if you're able to do so, you can go on with your producing stuff because you know how to effect your musik, so that it would also sound nice on your geminis! |
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knocz
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Posted : Jun 10, 2013 17:02
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On 2013-06-10 16:12:30, psyraal wrote:
hi freaks, i have this really old speakers that i used a lot of times back when i was only starting at this production thingy, i really learned how to 'arm' my sounds with decent mixes through theses motherfuckers but there's a button here that always gave me the chills, the tone button. (also, this pair will have to do since my geminis aren't home yet.)
now, my question is, given that this button enhances the high end frequencies, should i have it set to the middle (not a button, a knob i mean), or should i have set to minimum (none)? i don't want it to mess up, so i need it to be off, problem is i can't really figure out if in order to have it no none, should the knob be set to the middle or to absolute zero.
thx in advance
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Hi psyraal!
Can you supply us with the maker / model of the old speakers (or any information regarding them)?
Does the "tone knob" have a label? like -inf to 0db, or anything?
Does the knob have a notch This is, is there any clicky spots in the beginning / end / middle (like the EQ knobs of a mixer table, they have a notch in the middle)
In the worst case scenario, you can't get any info about this knob, and you'll have to do as zwarag said and use your ears to try to obtain the most balanced settings as possible.
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zwarag
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Posted : Jun 10, 2013 17:20
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wait a minute, he said its old, and theres a knob which has no labeling...
it could be anything!
a bomb, or a timemaschine, it could even be a cow with a knob mask.
hmm maybe its a magic button. you sould make a tune with it, tweak the peak, jelly the belly and then you might call it: all glory to the tune-knob.
and of coarse some charles manson vocals for the extra wired pinch. i bet after this everything will work out. but you should of coarse try what knocz said... just for making some usefull things^^ |
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Jun 10, 2013 23:07
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following on from zwarag - basically, my advice is very similar.
Take a tune you know is mixed well. Like KNOW. You've heard it on the dancefloor, you've heard it in the car, you've heard it in your room, you've heard it in the studio if that is seperate. You've heard it on big speakers and leeeeeeetel ones. You've heard it on Sony MDR-CD1700's and you've heard in on the shit that came with your phone. You've heard it on your phone. You've heard it in the room next door with the doors shut.
And it always sounds great. Whether you actually like the tune is irrelevant. This is entirely about how well mixed it is.
Play this tune on your speakers. If you like, play with the tone knob. Whatever. Where you set this button is pretty much irrelevant! A nicety - perhaps you should set it so that it sounds as nice as possible, but wherever you set it doesn't change the following bit of advice:
The sound that is coming out of your speakers is the correct sound. That is how your tunes should sound, if you want to sound like that artist.
Now, write a tune, and import this track. Constantly refer to it when it comes to EQ and level decisions. Try and mix as closely to it as possible. Do NOT try and improve it and add more low/top end to what you are mixing. It is right, you are not. If you try and do this, I'd bet you've already been mixing for a while in this session. Your ears are tired and lying to you.
After a few tunes, you'll note that this starts to sound right automatically, and you no longer strictly need this 'guide' to get you into the right mix zone.
I also like to work with a pair of headphones I know extremely well, as this highlights anything funny that either new speakers or the (possibly new) room is adding to the sound that I wasn't aware of.
However having said that, my personal preference would be to put the knob in the most neutral position possible and adjust my ears to that - EQ colours the sound - the optimal setting will always be with EQ off - but not that big a deal, TBH! The sound may be less tiring to work with in another position. I really don't think there is a right and wrong here.
Hope this helps! 
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psyraal
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Posted : Jun 10, 2013 23:45
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really appreciate all the help but i don't think you're getting my question, it's not about how i want my sounds to be like/sound like, it's not about mixing techniques, it's only about this fucking knob that says tone and i can't really figure out where exactly do i place it in order to get the real sound out of the speakers.. you know? it's really shitty 'cause the knob controls the high/high end frequencies and i can't tell where to place it
btw, it's these ones: sound level xl (and don't judge them by the looks, they're really something when it comes to being total crap, plus they have like this mini woofer in each of them, so.. yea, until the other ones come, this'll have to do)
http://images03.olx.pt/ui/21/71/07/Fotos-de-Coluna-Sound-Level-XL_432746407_1.jpg?x=1348649028
funny fact: that dude has the tone knob set to middle too
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Jun 11, 2013 00:39
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I'm not sure any of us are gonna be able to find that out for you. I can't find them using a quick google search - nor any images for them - but if they are as bad as you suggest, I don't in all honesty think where you set that knob is gonna make a huge difference - I'm guessing the sound will be fundamentally profoundly flawed well before this becomes a major concern, specifically probably a dodgy bass crossover and nasty phase shift/inability to deal with the amplitufe of low freqs in anything approaching a subtle manner - which is a very big problem! Just set it where seems right, and plug in some walkman earphones ... and I'm only half joking here, assuming that those are PC speakers? If yes, I genuinely would take earphones. All day. I'd do the bulk of EQ work in them, and then maybe mix the levels (or try to) on the speakers. I absolutely would not trust PC speakers for any kind of even slightly detailed EQ work under any circumstances - I'm not being a prick: just trying to show you how I see it  I hope that the speaker situation gets resolved soon - because that is going get really old for you really fast. 
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soospicey
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Posted : Jun 11, 2013 00:40
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probably just an EQ booster and the knob sets the frequency? just a guess given on the looks of those speakers...
run them through an input and throw a spectral analyzer on it and see what it does
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Jun 11, 2013 00:46
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On 2013-06-11 00:40, soospicey wrote:
probably just an EQ booster and the knob sets the frequency? just a guess given on the looks of those speakers...
run them through an input and throw a spectral analyzer on it and see what it does
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Say more likely a fixed freq shelf and a gain knob. BUT who knows 
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psyraal
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Posted : Jun 11, 2013 01:24
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On 2013-06-11 00:46, Speakafreaka wrote:
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On 2013-06-11 00:40, soospicey wrote:
probably just an EQ booster and the knob sets the frequency? just a guess given on the looks of those speakers...
run them through an input and throw a spectral analyzer on it and see what it does
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Say more likely a fixed freq shelf and a gain knob. BUT who knows
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that would be my guess too, a fixed point and the knob just handles its gain.
and yes they suck when compared to others, i can't really say they're awesome, cause they're not, but, i learned my mixes through them, everything i learned from the beggining i learned using them, so i do know how to handle my shit when i'm listening with them because i know 'em, but then again, that doesn't really matter
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zwarag
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Posted : Jun 11, 2013 10:47
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On 2013-06-11 01:24, psyraal wrote:
and yes they suck when compared to others, i can't really say they're awesome, cause they're not, but, i learned my mixes through them, everything i learned from the beggining i learned using them, so i do know how to handle my shit when i'm listening with them because i know 'em, but then again, that doesn't really matter
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dude, if you say you know them and you did so much with them and you like them and so on. dude, i think you dont know what you wanna know^^ because what you wanna know is: just turn this knob like you had it sounds right in mind. And if you cant because your brain is making bzzt bzzt. just smoke a lot, take your favorite tune, and do as i said. tun the knob so, that is sounds right.
Without more equipment and more self-esteem, you cant get out more (and it is not necessairy to get more) from your setup. if it sounds right, it is right. and if you know that you have tu turn up or down some freqs, so that is sounds good on this little boom booms, than do it. just keep in mind to turn it down. use an overall EQ that you can bypass easyly.
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makus
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Posted : Jun 11, 2013 11:08
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"Tone" means correction in both direction, positive and negative, so yeah, i think it should be in the middle position.
can u upload a photo?
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Jun 11, 2013 18:35
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