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psylevation
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 00:03
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Hi all 
Just a quick question, I've been dropping my basslines down to audio in Cubase, from there I'll go in and actually put a Volume Envelope on each bass "hit" so that it goes down in volume from the begining of the hit to the begining of the next bass hit or kick.
Wanted to know, do you usually have it go all the way down to silence, or just turn it down some? Also if you go all the way to silence how do you avoid the DC clicks that it can sometimes cause? Last but not least is this even a good practice?
I've noticed it help to kinda define each individual bass sound instead of them melding all together in to one big hum, but I guess my question is just about the DC crossing thing or if I should turn it down part way or all the way. Thanx for your answers ahead of time.
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Scala
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 00:43
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open vst instruments f11 , open monologe or vb put midi channel conect the vst to the chanell , and push yur kybored .. good luck . |
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 01:02
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On 2006-10-25 00:43, Scala wrote:
open vst instruments f11 , open monologe or vb put midi channel conect the vst to the chanell , and push yur kybored .. good luck .
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Wow that has got to be the single most useful post in isra's history!
@ Psylevation
I think its better off & much less of a hassle to side chain the bass to the kick..Are you putting a note on the bass at the same time as the kick?
The easiest way i've found to side chain is with the TC nativebundle sidechainer..You just insert the sidechainer on the kick..Insert the compressor on the bass & turn on key input & adjust the attack & other settings to taste to get the desired pumping & ducking effect..
You can also try playing around with bass note velocites though i don't do that..I never actually adjust each notes' velocity like you mentioned, so can't comment on that..You should try out sidechaining if you already haven't though..
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Meta
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 01:08
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On 2006-10-25 00:03, psylevation wrote:
Also if you go all the way to silence how do you avoid the DC clicks that it can sometimes cause? Last but not least is this even a good practice?
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If you're getting clicks, you aren't going all the way down to silence.
Or, more likely, you're going down to silence on the end of your bass note, but the start of the next bass note waveform isn't starting at the zero crossing.
So if you want to use the method you're doing, fade out the ends of each bassnote, and also fade in the very beginning of the next note. Obviously you want to zoom in as much as possible and select just the tiniest bit of the start of the note so it's on time.
Really though, this method sounds pretty labor intensive - wouldn't it be easier to just write shorter bass notes?
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psylevation
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 02:48
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Thanx for the great information Scala, I'll get right on that 
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Yeah I have used side chain compression and I still do. I'm looking to really get down and exact with what my bassline is doing, so that's why i'm trying this method, call it the perfectionist in me. I do use side chain when I want a bass note and a kick to cross each other, or sit on top of each other.
thanx you though
@ Aeon
I like my bass notes to have a bit of tail to them not just super tight all the way through, I give them punch but still keep as much tail as I can. I'm not looking to put a space between them (at least not very much) I'm trying to give whats there even more pronoucement, while keeping the tail in tact.
Your method of fading in the begining of the next bassline hit just a tiny bit would probably do the trick. I just really havn't done this deep of audio editing in cubase, so I am asking you guys, because I figure someone has more experience in this than me.
Thanx for the ideas Aeon, S-Cube, and er...uh ..S..cala...
Anybody else have any ideas or experience with this?
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sy000321
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 02:52
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instead of fadding, cutting at the zero crossing might be a better bet
i do it witch kicks in cubase...
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psylevation
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 03:08
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hmm that actually made me think of an idea, cut at a zero crossing really close to the next hit, then do an envelope on it that way it has no chance of clicking what so ever. |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 03:11
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Assuming your bass notes are 16ths:
Firstly make sure your bass audio is in a part: rightclick -> Audio -> Events to part.
Next double-click on the audio part to edit it, and select the scissors tool. Select 16th quantise (making sure the grid type is set to "Use Quantise") and zoom in so you can easily see each note in your bassline. Now hold down <alt> and cut the audio at the end of the first 16th in your bassline - voila, the whole bassline is chopped into 16th-length pieces.
You now have many options. You can 'select all' and fade out each note simultaneously by dragging the fade handle at the top right of each segment; you can also shorten each note by selecting all and dragging the trim handle at the bottom right of each segment - a very short fade will remove any clicks at the end of a note.
This method should work with groove-quantised basslines too, as long as the correct groove is selected in the editor before making the first snip.
Actually, S-Cube has something of a point... the first step to getting a tight bassline is to program the synth and sequence that way to start with.
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 03:16
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On 2006-10-25 02:48, psylevation wrote:
Your method of fading in the begining of the next bassline hit just a tiny bit would probably do the trick. I just really havn't done this deep of audio editing in cubase, so
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If you are using SX3, just select all of the audio that you want to fade in or out.
Zoom in close enough that the little blue triangles appear in the upper left and upper right hand corner of the audio boxes.
If you drag these in left or right, it fades the selected audio in or out, depending on the direction you pull.
edit: What colin said. He's fast.
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psylevation
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 15:27
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awesome , thank you guys for the help.
That will make my life 110% easier.
I already have my bassline sounding pretty tight and decent, it's just sometimes I feel the need to give a little more shape than it already has. I want to be practiced at doing this when needed. The Alt cut thing is a huge help and will be a huge help in many other areas in the future.
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