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Fredini
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Posted : May 14, 2005 17:59
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Hey there guys , i have a doubt i m currently using fruity loops but im moving on to cubase and i have some tracks done , i havnet got monitors and i would like to konw how do i put some quality in the sound ive done , cause i take it to ythe car stereo and it sounds very crappy where can i treat the sound arrange freqs etc thanks fred |
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Hayez
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Posted : May 14, 2005 21:05
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try to produce in your car 
I seriously think that it's a waste of time asking for quality without decent pair of monitors. even the most experienced producer would be like a blind man without monitors.
 "a new art came into my mind which only you can create, the Art of Noises, the logical consequence of your marvelous innovations." Russolo, 1913 |
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : May 17, 2005 06:33
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On 2005-05-14 21:05, Hayez wrote:
I seriously think that it's a waste of time asking for quality without decent pair of monitors. even the most experienced producer would be like a blind man without monitors.
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100 % Right ! . And I Know What Im Talking About Belive Me .. (11 Tracks I Made With EaringPhones)- And Now More 10 With A Prophetionals Monitors (And U Will See Its Like Sky And Earth - Cant Think Now How Could I). I had The Same Thing Till I Buy Me Good Ones (Its Not a Strange Thing , Its Normal - Happen To all) And Allso A good Voice card Will Help u Hear The Sound As It Sould Be/Come And Much Better In Your Car Or In Eny Systems . Buy Them Flat And Buy A Good One And all Will Be Fine .
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sy000321
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Posted : May 19, 2005 14:00
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On 2005-05-14 17:59, Fredini wrote:
Hey there guys , i have a doubt i m currently using fruity loops but im moving on to cubase and i have some tracks done , i havnet got monitors and i would like to konw how do i put some quality in the sound ive done , cause i take it to ythe car stereo and it sounds very crappy where can i treat the sound arrange freqs etc thanks fred
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hi... everything ok with you?
we talked about his before, without monitors it's very hard to have a good sound (it's hard enough with monitors too )
You don't have to spend too much, many producers can achieve nice results with alesis mk2 (the same i've) wich are enough to spot most flaws in your productions...
i've spent years doing very crappy mixes until i got monitors... i still need to evolve but now i know where i'm going
it's frustrating to the point that i think that if i had bought monitoring some years ago i could be doing much better music now :|
my advice is: wanna make music? got computer? buy monitors first than anything else
joao
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sy000321
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Posted : May 19, 2005 16:18
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On 2005-05-19 14:54, nolightatend wrote:
Mate it is not about monitors and their quality it is about your ears and level of adaptation. |
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sorry, have to disagree...
when i say monitors i'm talking about stuff that won't color you productions, have a resonable flat response and give you the chance to hear the bass properly...
i give the example of alesis wich go down to 50hz and have a response of +/-2bds from 50 to 20kh
the mackies HR are supposedly better because they they are +/-1db flat in the same freq range (but are 150€ more expensive, not much but for me it did the difference)
i've checked some computer speackers and the better, costing half the price of the alesis had a response of +/-5dbs at similar freq range
so they're less accurate and most wont go under 80hz wich is not enough when dance music is based a lot on how the bass sounds (read somewhere that this focus started in the fifthies and reached the enourmous importance when have now)...
having expensive specakers is not enough, you'll have to train your ears and know your monitoring... the best speackers are the ones you know best and that's why many producers keep their shitty (maybe not so shitty but then) speackers they used over the years: they know exactly how they sound...
also, do a check, see a movie and listen throught a pair of pc/hi-fi systems and compare the same movie heard throught a pair of capable monitors...
the first thing that will became aparent is a very wide amplitude change between sounds when you hear in the monitors, in the pc or hifi speacker they wont be noticiable.
that's because most pc speackers/hifi systems have limiters/compressors to color the sound and make everything nicer for the listener.
and that's not just limiters, there are phase filters and more stuff to achieve a better listening experience throught crappy speackers, but if your mixing throught those colorations your mix will almost surely sound terrible when these colorations aren't there (another speacker system).
to end: monitors translate better how your mix will sound in a public address system :9
phew
joao
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : May 20, 2005 14:21
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i tend to agree with sy000321 .,
of course every monitor will color the sound in some way,.
but what is important about monitors is that they will give you enough information so that you can decide what's going on in the mix and how it will behave in certain situations (this can all be subconcious).
the problem with hi-fi stuff is that it is designed to sound good no matter what material you play on it.
so it actually changes the sound in some way to make it more pleasant to your ears.
so at the very best you have some parts of the spectrum over which you have no control.
the result is that you learn how to make your sounds in the regions that you DO have control over.
monitor speakers just try to give you controll over the whole spectrum.
also, on monitors, when you become used to them, you will be able to judge your music faster because you will hear a more balanced output.
so monitors are actually just tools.
and as always you can do the same stuff with less appropriate tools, but the results will be more difficult to achive.
for example, you can use a knife to cut your hair, but everyone can tell you that scissors will be faster AND give better results.
you could also use scissors to spread butter on your bread.
but a knife will be easier to use and easier to clean.
so 2 similar tools but working best in different situations.
same with hifi and monitors.
hifi are for listening comfortably.
monitors are for listening to the mix and make an opinion on the mix (and not an opinion on the listening system)
of course you can use hifi to monitor your mix, but its not the best tool for the job.
so i'm not saying its impossible to do a mix on hifi speakers.
but monitor speakers will just be faster (easier to judge once you got used to them) , more reliable (behaving similar with similar content) and more precise (details are more pronounced on monitors) than hifi.
anyway.,
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : May 20, 2005 15:22
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hehe., ok.,
just wanted to make that clear,.
but on the subject of monitors,
there are more issues with sound than just frequency response and getting used to a pair.
there is smear (both frequency and time)
there is response time of the cones.
there is cabinet resonances,
there is location and roomsize,
there is ported/non ported
there is low cutoff point,
there is soft/metal/ribbon tweeters,
there is projection,.
there is amplificationm
etc,
etc.,
so there are a lot of things that can make a monitor different.
it depends on the level of control you want/need.
certain monitor characteristics will influence how you hear the sound and therefore will influence the decisions you make,
so it actually DOES matter what monitors you use.,
greets.,
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sy000321
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Posted : May 20, 2005 15:28
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there's also the orientation of speacker cones with the magnetic north pole wich influences magnetism and changes speacker response...
altitude, air density and moisture also come to the equation...
the stands will also influence the sound...
and hair over the ears will muffle some frequencys 
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joao
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : May 20, 2005 23:03
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well, i totaly agree with you.
but my experience untill now is that some monitors are easier to 'understand' and work with than others.
some make your ears tired, some are too sweet, etc.,
some (like NS-10) sounds like sheit but produce good results.,
so i think its important to find a pair that suits you and not settle with the first thing you find with the label 'monitor' on it.,
and indeed, room acoustics can make a world of difference., it can turn sweet monitors into uncontrolled beasts and vice versa,.
but its better to make music instead of jerking off on monitors
anyway.,
greets.,
aka.,
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Kryptum
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Posted : May 20, 2005 23:45
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On 2005-05-20 15:28, sy000321 wrote:
and hair over the ears will muffle some frequencys
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ooppsss,guess I've found the solution to my problem |
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