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orange
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Posted : Jun 3, 2008 16:04
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Alex Roudos
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Posted : Jun 3, 2008 16:49
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20ms is nice to play synths for me...
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well 20ms is alot to play a synth!
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True, anything more than 10-12ms and it's very noticeable and annoying, in my case.
And lower latencies are very important for recording live stuff as well.
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Jun 3, 2008 16:50
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20ms is nice to play synths for me...
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well 20ms is alot to play a synth!
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So you say you hear the difference between 5ms and 20ms?
I certainly don't. Maybe a little.. sometimes.. but usualy I only start to get annoyed around 25 to 30 ms.
Are you sure you sure there is nothing else causing latency? Like Midi or External Synth which goes in and out doubling the latency?
Actualy the old virus and many other virtual analog synths had a built in latency of up to 20ms! when played from internal keyboard straight to the speakers.
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-aeon-
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Posted : Jun 3, 2008 17:00
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i think i could tell the difference between 5ms and 20ms... it's not just about hearing, it's about feeling too  when you play something instant then you play something with 15ms track delay it is immediately noticeable.
anything around 7ms is acceptable latency for playing, i think.
as for CPU headroom... no matter what you have, you will use it eventually. in the same way that no matter how powerful computers get, developers will find a way to use it all eventually. give us a ceiling and our instinct is to jump until we bang our heads on it  |
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XuN
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Posted : Jun 3, 2008 19:54
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Hmm, maybe i'm missing something here, but if I put my latency down to 5ms in FL studio, I have major sound issues... It generates constant underrun. What am I doing wrong?
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vegetal
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Posted : Jun 3, 2008 20:06
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Its generally said that above 10ms is when you start noticing the latency. And i personally agree on that.
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w00t 20ms?! you can hardly manage to get your recordings tight when you play at those latencys, unless you learned to play with "delay compensation" in your head
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Hmm, maybe i'm missing something here, but if I put my latency down to 5ms in FL studio, I have major sound issues... It generates constant underrun. What am I doing wrong?
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XuN: Not enough CPU-power me thinks combined with too small buffer on the soundcard.
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Psynaesthesian
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Posted : Jun 3, 2008 20:26
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20ms is nice to play synths for me...
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well 20ms is alot to play a synth!
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True, anything more than 10-12ms and it's very noticeable and annoying, in my case.
And lower latencies are very important for recording live stuff as well.
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agree!! timing is the essence!!
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Jun 3, 2008 21:00
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Jun 3, 2008 22:06
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I did some blind tests.
Do it, open a blank project, put a VST synth (one without own latency) let a friend switch the latency and try to identify it. 5ms 10ms 5ms 20ms or whatever steps your soundcard provide.
Maybe use miditest to make sure you do not have a lot of midilatency added to it.
I doubt there are many people who succeed in feeling or hearing that difference
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Albertos
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Posted : Jun 3, 2008 22:45
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I think that latency its important component not only in our external devices...,when i put latency...closer to 5,4...the vst's sound's more powerfull...,but cpu is jumping...so after some tests...with disco dsp...ican said that best latency for my 2.4 ghz pc is 6 ms on 44.1khz 24 bit...For peoples wich have some quad processors...best solution is 96khz on 24 bits with 1ms...
Someone got this setup???(24bit 96khz 1ms)???!!! |
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Jun 3, 2008 23:36
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I don't know of one single driver that goes that quick (ie actually that quick).
Shit, why not climb inside your monitors and be done with it?
Direct cranial jack? Fuck this issue with room acoustics.
When I first started I had latency of around 400ms because that was all my PC could deal with.
I'd have no issues going back to that either. .
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XuN
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Posted : Jun 4, 2008 01:41
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Hmm, maybe i'm missing something here, but if I put my latency down to 5ms in FL studio, I have major sound issues... It generates constant underrun. What am I doing wrong?
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XuN: Not enough CPU-power me thinks combined with too small buffer on the soundcard.
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I have a quad core 2.4 GHz with a Delta1010 LT audio card... Shouldn't that be enough? 
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Mike A
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Posted : Jun 4, 2008 10:27
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DJ Looper - there is absolutely no reason for you to use 96khz.
Switch to 44.1khz. Use the search if you wanna find out why.
It will also double your latency, only because there are less samples per second. Don't let it scare you.
As for myself - I'm using a 1800mhz E2160 cpu, overclocked to 3240mhz. Works great
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orange
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Posted : Jun 4, 2008 10:46
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On 2008-06-03 22:06, subconsciousmind wrote:
I did some blind tests.
Do it, open a blank project, put a VST synth (one without own latency) let a friend switch the latency and try to identify it. 5ms 10ms 5ms 20ms or whatever steps your soundcard provide.
Maybe use miditest to make sure you do not have a lot of midilatency added to it.
I doubt there are many people who succeed in feeling or hearing that difference
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ohh come on man 5ms vs 20ms is very noticeable to someone who plays a melody or have some basic keyboard skills.
if the keyborad is just to preview sounds on the synth pressing one note and creating the melodies in the pianoroll than yes its not noticeable.
i just cant play with 20ms latency its just very anoing... specially if i want to record some melody/chord realtime !
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-aeon-
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Posted : Jun 4, 2008 12:24
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sure i have. i've played a vibraphone too. but when i play a softsynth i like less than 10ms latency 
i will be doing a blind test tonight...
but just think about it - imagine you are playing the final movement of a concerto in prestissimo (somewhere around 200bpm, or 0.3 seconds per beat). let's assume you're not playing crotchets, but hemidemisemiquavers... each of which would take up something like 18ms. even at full breakneck speed, a pianist would notice. it would be like missing out an entire note...
i must say, however, that i absolutely SUCK at maths and i'm sure the above paragraph is entirely incorrect nonetheless i reckon a musician would notice - just because we've all worked with acceptable latency doesn't mean that unacceptable latency doesn't exist. |
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