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cytopia
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Posted : Feb 11, 2007 13:22
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Howdy,
Wondering if Cubase 4 is running stable yet. I want to buy it when it does. Am on a mission to buy the gear I use the most, I think the "try before buy" trial period has expired by now 
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Sander
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Alex Roudos
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Posted : Feb 11, 2007 22:59
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You can try the cubase forums. There you'll find probably all the info you need.
But, why waste your money like that? And it costs a lot. Definitely overestimated. Especially now that the competition is so strong and in some cases better than cubase for even half the price.
I wouldn't take it not even for free. Well.....I would and immediately sell it.
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Posted : Feb 11, 2007 23:06
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it's stable enough, a small error every now and then but nothing to keep you buying it. (if you're student you can get it for half the price btw)
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cytopia
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Posted : Feb 11, 2007 23:55
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Hi Alex,
And what program would you be using?
It wouldnt make sense for me to use a different program since I have learned how cubase works. And I quite like what you can do in audio with cubase, which I hear alot of other programs are not able to do yet.
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Posted : Feb 12, 2007 00:24
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I assume he's talking about Sonar, FL and Acid pro don't have audio editing on par with cubase, but most C4 features were essentially playing catch-up to Sonar features.
I looked on the Cubase forums, there appears to be a known issue with importing preferences from SX3 but that's about it.
It's been so long since the 4.01 update, I'm waiting till the next one before I upgrade. I own SX3 so it won't cost much, but, I'm lazy.
Steinberg has been hush-hush about the updates, from what I've seen they are trying to finish Vista & 64bit compatibility, but don't want to announce it in case they have code problems and have to delay that until after the next upgrade, whatever that will be.
Has anyone else used C4? And how is backwards compatiblity with SX3 songs? Not being able to work on tracks with friends does not exactly motivate me to pay for an upgrade.
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Alex Roudos
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Posted : Feb 12, 2007 01:05
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I have mentioned before in this forum that i used to be in love with cubase until recently. I started using it in the early 90s on Atari(version 3.1) and been using until last summer.
The last 5-6 years i was using it in combination with Acid Pro. But last summer Acid Pro 6 came out which finally had a very descent and upgraded midi section. And this meant to be the end of cubase for me for ever.
There's nothing i can't do in Acid that i can in cubase. Quite the opposite i'd say. When are these guys at Steinberg will decide to implement real time loops and samples preview with automated sync and playback with project tempo, without needing this time warp thing in the end? Every serious DAW these days supports it. I'm not gonna pay something like 900 euros for something that lacks a fundamental(as it has become) function. And what about DX support? Why did they take it out? There's some great and very useful DX plug-ins but the steinberg guys don't care. Why? Because they still have some kind of monopoly(although i really doubt that) or at least they think so.
In every forum that i posted that i'm using Acid Pro and that it can't be compared to cubase, a war started. Everyone wanted to tear me apart for saying such things for the "holy" cubase. Arguments like "Acid is a toy, you can't really seriously produce music unless you use cubase", "cubase is super pro" and the best "the audio engine of cubase is superior to Acid's".
Cubase 4 internal audio engine - 24 bit/96Khz with 32 bit floating point resolution.
Acid Pro 6 internal engine - 24 bit/192khz with 32 bit floating point resolution.
For the history, Sonar is the best, it is the only native 64bit DAW, and whoever know what this means can understand.
Not to mention that the learning curve for Acid is something like infinitely less than what it is for cubase.
I was trying to find some famous electronic or dance producer who uses Acid in order to use it as an example of how good is Acid. I found none!!! Instead i found a lot of film and tv music composers. I think this means something here. These guys can afford the best, but they use the $399 Acid. Why? Hmmm.......maybe because it's so easy, fast and delivers great sound quality? Maybe....or maybe they didn't hear yet of Cubase.......If they do, they'll probably gonna switch instantly!!!!!
Concluding, i use only Acid Pro 6 and i'm ten times faster, more creative and productive than i was with cubase. This only, for me is enough to forget once and for all the existence of cubase.
Don't misunderstand me here. I have nothing against cubase, it's a great piece of software(if i had i would never use it in the first place). But i have everything against people who just say things about this or that having absolutely no clue what they are talking about.
Sorry for the lengthy post, but i couldn't really resist myself on presenting my thoughts about this issue.
And now......LET THE WAR BEGIN!!!!
Greetz 2 everyone,
Alex.
PS. If i am mistaken anywhere, say so but please support your argument in a provable way.
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Alex Roudos
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Posted : Feb 12, 2007 02:08
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And I quite like what you can do in audio with cubase, which I hear a lot of other programs are not able to do yet.
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Can you give me some examples about what you can do in cubase and is not possible to other programs?
Thanx,
Alex.
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Posted : Feb 12, 2007 02:18
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Posted : Feb 12, 2007 02:20
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Offline VST processing. You can do this in Cubase and Sonar only, from what I have seen Acid, FL and Logic still can't do this.
In essence, right-clicking on a piece of audio and immediately applying a VST effect (or a series of VST effects). It processes it immediately and creates a new audio file that is already bounced, so there is no CPU drain. Combine this with built in audio effects like time streching and pitch bending etc, and it totally changes the way you think about songwriting, arranging and psychedelic effects. The speed at which you try and experiment with different things is amazing.
You can do the same sort of thing on any DAW by adding insert effects, bouncing it to a new track and importing it, but that process is very tedious and you don't realize how much momentum you lose until you can work without doing that.
Sonar has had this for quite a while, and then SX copied it from them, but as far as I know the other DAWs are still behind on that.
edit: And as Colin (quickly) mentioned, Cubase keeps a history of all those edits so you can undo them and backtrack and change directions on a heavily edited piece.
From what I've seen, features-wise, Sonar is the absolute king, but so few people use it... collaboration with other people is big on my list right now so Cubase continues to be the only realistic choice for me at the moment.
If Undertow wants to fly me out to wherever he lives and give me a Sonar lesson, I'll switch. 
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Feb 12, 2007 02:36
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Methodic Marble
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Posted : Feb 12, 2007 02:53
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Sorry for the off topic question ...
but can anybody tell m if theres MIDI learn function in CUBASE 4 plz ??
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Posted : Feb 12, 2007 08:17
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i just got it and yes there are some bugs however I havent installed the latest updat but lots of crashing especially when I try to bypass a n effect while the song is playing never fails crashes every time.
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Posted : Feb 12, 2007 09:09
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On 2007-02-12 02:53, Methodic Marble wrote:
Sorry for the off topic question ...
but can anybody tell m if theres MIDI learn function in CUBASE 4 plz ??
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I don't think any sequencer has for VSTs that don't natively support it. Not in the way you want it, anyway.
It's really not that hard to use the Generic Remote though, THAT has midi learn to map your controller, then you just assign it to the knob you want to control from a pull down menu.
I think Sonar has some kind of new automapping function but it's still not as simple as the "right-click a knob" interface we are all waiting for.
Most NI plugins support MIDI learn. Reaktor is especially easy, it has the right-click function.
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cytopia
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Posted : Feb 12, 2007 21:35
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Thanx,
Alex
On 2007-02-12 02:18, Colin OOOD wrote:
I might be wrong but I don't think any other DAW has anything like Cubase's Offline Process History.
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THAT is what I keep hearing. I havent used many other programs other than Cubase.
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Posted : Feb 12, 2007 21:45
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On 2007-02-12 02:36, Colin OOOD wrote:
Not just that, but in Cubase you can go back and undo or change any process in the history without having to remove the plugins you applied after it - eg. if you've applied plugin A, plugin B and plugin C, you can directly undo just plugin A and Cubase will automatically re-render the audio with just plugins B and C... or you can change the parameters on plugin A and it will re-render the audio with the edited settings. It's like having infinite CPU.
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