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S7a5
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Posted : Jun 24, 2005 09:28
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Hey everyone
when you have a finished mix what do u use and what techniques apply to pump the entire track so it stays very loud and at the same time doesn't clip. I know many people will say its compressors and maximazers but still it doesn't pump it till max. What I mean by pumping is that its still pleasant for ears and loud as possible.
Check this scrshot
http://b8.picturehost.co.uk/wave.JPG
its super loud and sounds nice, how da hell do they do it? 
cheers
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WAVELOGIX
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Posted : Jun 24, 2005 12:13
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ya , so now please bother tellin us , what did u do to it ? |
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sy000321
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Posted : Jun 24, 2005 12:48
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leave the maxxing to the mastering engineers, try to get as loud as you can in mixing, without boosting the master bus too much.
a mastering engeneer will probably compress the mix a lot using single/multi band compression or limiting, plus some standard methods of equalization...
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EYB
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Posted : Jun 24, 2005 13:35
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You need to use a limiter. Good ones are waves and the voxengo elephant 2.
Load ur track for example into wavelab and load into the plugin chain waves l3. Now set output ceiling to -0.2, better not directly 0 coz it could be seen as clipping. Now move down ur treshold till ur sound gets loud enough.
How much? -it depends. Best is to make a loud mix, without clipping so u don't need much normalizing and limiting. Before u start u should listen to the track where the peak lies, for example -4.5 db. Now u use a treshold of -4.5, this would be normalizing, plus (e.g) 3.5 db, so all in all a treshold of 8 db.
This seems to be much, but remember it also contains the part of normalizing, but u did all in one step
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Posted : Jun 24, 2005 17:11
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L3 or L2.... just set the ceiling level to -.02 and do not set the threshold more then -2 to -3.... otherwise youre doing a diffrent action... this should do the trick.
the key is to have your mix done properly, otherwise you will get distortions in the sounds after the application.
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Posted : Jun 24, 2005 17:11
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omg i just noticed eyb wrote a very similar response.... my apologies eyb.. didnt mean to have him ignore your comment.. 
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EYB
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Posted : Jun 24, 2005 17:41
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No problem m8
Limiting is a essential, it can't be explained to much 
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Janue
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Posted : Jun 24, 2005 20:40
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On 2005-06-24 13:35, EYB wrote:
You need to use a limiter. Good ones are waves and the voxengo elephant 2.
Load ur track for example into wavelab and load into the plugin chain waves l3. Now set output ceiling to -0.2, better not directly 0 coz it could be seen as clipping. Now move down ur treshold till ur sound gets loud enough.
How much? -it depends. Best is to make a loud mix, without clipping so u don't need much normalizing and limiting. Before u start u should listen to the track where the peak lies, for example -4.5 db. Now u use a treshold of -4.5, this would be normalizing, plus (e.g) 3.5 db, so all in all a treshold of 8 db.
This seems to be much, but remember it also contains the part of normalizing, but u did all in one step
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Hey i should do this with my track rendered on a multiband compressor or i should put the limiter and the compressor togheter and render it?? 
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Posted : Jun 24, 2005 20:44
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btw - important to say that if u wanna send your track to a label - avoid using any of this stuff..... this is pseudo mastering and will hurt the ability of the masterererererer to master your music.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jun 24, 2005 22:31
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EYB
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Posted : Jun 24, 2005 23:41
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On 2005-06-24 20:40, Janue wrote:
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On 2005-06-24 13:35, EYB wrote:
You need to use a limiter. Good ones are waves and the voxengo elephant 2.
Load ur track for example into wavelab and load into the plugin chain waves l3. Now set output ceiling to -0.2, better not directly 0 coz it could be seen as clipping. Now move down ur treshold till ur sound gets loud enough.
How much? -it depends. Best is to make a loud mix, without clipping so u don't need much normalizing and limiting. Before u start u should listen to the track where the peak lies, for example -4.5 db. Now u use a treshold of -4.5, this would be normalizing, plus (e.g) 3.5 db, so all in all a treshold of 8 db.
This seems to be much, but remember it also contains the part of normalizing, but u did all in one step
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Hey i should do this with my track rendered on a multiband compressor or i should put the limiter and the compressor togheter and render it??
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I don't really understand what u mean. It is ur choice do what sounds best
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S7a5
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Posted : Jun 25, 2005 02:50
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thanks everyone for your replies
ok as far as i understand I should end up with as loud mix as possible without ceiling and then boost the overall rms using maximizers with ceilling of -0.2? |
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Psylopath
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Posted : Jun 25, 2005 16:40
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absolutely right.
even if you have the tools and the ears to do a propper mastering, i would give your tracks to another mastering engineer, because he hears your tracks from a different point of view and notices things, which you as writer and producer don't notice.
its quite the same like writing a book. there is always min. a second person who is reading through your text, in order to find mistakes
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