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Soundmagus
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Kitnam
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Posted : Jun 10, 2009 14:23
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On 2009-06-06 03:38, Vermeee wrote:
yea some people around here think everybody lives in first world country or have rich parents or better, they think psytrance should only be make only by elite.
well, ridiculous...
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Nice. the pigeonholes are opened. If you want to buy software or hardware gear for your studio, or even books or original DVDs there will be way for you making it possible - allways. I used stolen software too. The funny thing is: It wont work for you that good. If you want something in this world, you need to give something back. This is called karma - and sadly or greatly: it works. Its your decision what you are sending out into this world.
Do not make yourself poorer as you are, all of us spend money into something. But sometimes smoking weed and beeing a producer cannot be done at the same time to just give one example of how sometimes priorities need to be set.
just think about it.
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Vermeee
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yea u dont need to tell me it.
if i start to get money from the music its more than my obligation to support the SOFTWARES i use ( after all the hardwares that i had to spend money in years of workin to gather money ) not as some of u guys that work 1 month there in the first world country and already have the bucks to buy everything.
so sorry mate dont come with ur damn ethic when u are just one more colonizer that enslaved the world to live in confortable...
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aciduss
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Posted : Jun 10, 2009 19:10
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Really? like 99% of psy producers wouldnt exist then. |
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Kitnam
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Posted : Jun 10, 2009 20:08
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On 2009-06-10 16:26, Vermeee wrote:
yea u dont need to tell me it.
if i start to get money from the music its more than my obligation to support the SOFTWARES i use ( after all the hardwares that i had to spend money in years of workin to gather money ) not as some of u guys that work 1 month there in the first world country and already have the bucks to buy everything.
so sorry mate dont come with ur damn ethic when u are just one more colonizer that enslaved the world to live in confortable...
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I started to make money with music since I buy myself gear and software AND tracks!
This recover some of my costs, but at the end I usually pay more then I get to feed my hobby - but I support the artists I like. I Support the companies which make good things I work with and this makes me important to them and gives me a voice. I can influence my world around me with my decisions, because I generate some output which is the input of some others.
As soon as you generate some output you will get something back automaticly. Wating for something without doing something wont happen. So just using everything pirated and wait for something to get any money wont work. its a good way to start and try out if this hobby is something (try before buy ;-) for you but as soon as you want more of it you need to do something for it. So I dont want to judge you here - I want to make clear that it is just your decision where your way will lead you and that not anyone who is buying software is an arrogant asshole from rich parents.
And sorry but you cant tell me that when you have time to waste on web-forums which I consider pure luxury you have not the ressources which wouldnt make it possible sometime to buy something. Anyway I do not want you to do it - I just realised that moods on isra has changed - for around 3 years this thread would have been sliced to death - but now there are sentences like "so sorry mate dont come with ur damn ethic when u are just one more colonizer that enslaved the world to live in confortable..." sorry but THIS is riddiculus.
and yes I find it a little bit strange when a blog called "psytrance producer blog" is offering warez and is promoted here on isra but I understand this opinion is allready old school here.
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TimeTraveller
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Dancing_Zombies
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Zoopy
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Posted : Jun 11, 2009 03:30
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On 2009-06-10 20:08, Kitnam wrote:
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On 2009-06-10 16:26, Vermeee wrote:
yea u dont need to tell me it.
if i start to get money from the music its more than my obligation to support the SOFTWARES i use ( after all the hardwares that i had to spend money in years of workin to gather money ) not as some of u guys that work 1 month there in the first world country and already have the bucks to buy everything.
so sorry mate dont come with ur damn ethic when u are just one more colonizer that enslaved the world to live in confortable...
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I started to make money with music since I buy myself gear and software AND tracks!
This recover some of my costs, but at the end I usually pay more then I get to feed my hobby - but I support the artists I like. I Support the companies which make good things I work with and this makes me important to them and gives me a voice. I can influence my world around me with my decisions, because I generate some output which is the input of some others.
As soon as you generate some output you will get something back automaticly. Wating for something without doing something wont happen. So just using everything pirated and wait for something to get any money wont work. its a good way to start and try out if this hobby is something (try before buy ;-) for you but as soon as you want more of it you need to do something for it. So I dont want to judge you here - I want to make clear that it is just your decision where your way will lead you and that not anyone who is buying software is an arrogant asshole from rich parents.
And sorry but you cant tell me that when you have time to waste on web-forums which I consider pure luxury you have not the ressources which wouldnt make it possible sometime to buy something. Anyway I do not want you to do it - I just realised that moods on isra has changed - for around 3 years this thread would have been sliced to death - but now there are sentences like "so sorry mate dont come with ur damn ethic when u are just one more colonizer that enslaved the world to live in confortable..." sorry but THIS is riddiculus.
and yes I find it a little bit strange when a blog called "psytrance producer blog" is offering warez and is promoted here on isra but I understand this opinion is allready old school here.
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aciduss
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Vermeee
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ohshit
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Posted : Jun 12, 2009 10:40
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On 2009-06-12 04:06, Vermeee wrote:
cry baby psytrance aint elite anymore...
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You misunderstand our words, but at this point is not so important. I want to say another thing related with your replies. You are just one fuckin' elitist like the rest of us. You know that if you own a pc, some gear (headphone, loudspeaker, etc...) and time to play with it you are NOT poor? You should know that.
If you really want to fight for the right of the poors, fight for the right to eat or for the right to be cured and not for the right to used cracked synths and/or fxs. Sorry, but I don't afford the crying victimism of the false poor.
Have a look at the real ones: http://www.globalissues.org/article/26/poverty-facts-and-stats
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Zoopy
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Posted : Jun 14, 2009 04:45
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On 2009-06-12 04:06, Vermeee wrote:
cry baby psytrance aint elite anymore...
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please just stop posting |
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Vermeee
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Posted : Jun 15, 2009 23:42
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Alright , im gonna show ur fuckin ignorance with numbers.
and before i start, first of all i never said im from a third world country , i live in an envolvin country , Brazil , but even then things are damn hard to buy too.
im gonna show the equipaments that i have and the software that i use as comparance. Equipments which i have seen many of u guys from the forum sayin it sux, BUT we in brazil LOVE it since they are the best we can get related to price and quality with the goal of reachin a profisional stage.
First the minimum wages from the country i live, and i have researched the minimum wages around europe and i took a base to use.
minimum wage :
brazil = 450 REAIS
europe = 650 EUROS
Here the conversion to dollar coz i use prices in dollars, i have took the hardware prices from GOOGLE PRODUCTS and the software prices from their official homepages.
1 REAL = 2 dollar
1 dollar = 1,40 euro
Now the product prices, and in the right of the prices there s an ADD that s the IMPORTANTIN TAXES we have to pay here in brazil which s 50 per cent of the vallue of the product.
Luckly the softwares doesnt need it.
And then the total price it costs around here ( but not addin the shipment which , trust me , its a way fuckin expensive too but its hard to get the price coz it changes with the weight of it.
I didnt add the total price in euros coz i dont know how the importation taxes and mailing works there buuuut only with what we have s enough to get in a conclusion based on the dollar costin 1,40 euro and the minimum wage around europe bein 650 euro.
Behringer B2031A
$ 383 + 192,00 = 575 dollars = 1125 reais
M Audio Firewire Audiophile
$ 169.95 + 83 = 252 dollars = 500 reais
M Audio Oxygen 49
$ 100.00 + 50 = 150 dollars = 300 reais
High End Pc
$ 1000.00 + 500 = 1500 dollars = 3000 reais
total price in basic equipaments ( 4950 reais without addin the shipment)
Now Softwares:
Refx Vanguard:
$ 350,00 = 700 reais
Linplug Albino 3
$ 239,00 = 480 reais
Native Instruments Battery 3
$ 230,00 = 460 reais
DiscoDsp Discovery PRO
$ 220,00 = 440 reais
Bazzism
$ 50,00 ( it sells in euro in the site but its around that price in dollar ) = 100 reais
Waves Diamond Native Bundle V6
$ 2,849.00 ( thats a fuckin joke ) = 5800 reais
Cubase
$ 500,00 = 1000 reais
plus some of antares that i could not find the price, plus sample cds etc etc etc etc
total price in softwares without addin the waves diamond which s a joke = base of 3500 reais.
My conclusion s , if i had work the same i did here in brazil there in europe, i would have bought the equipments PLUS the illegal softwares that i use a long time ago and i would not need to HEAR FROM A FUCKIN ELITIST that im STEALIN IT or that i dont support the fuckin SCENE.
I ll LOVE to buy the softwares as soon as i get the oportunite but for a while im smokin weed, enjoyin my equipments and improvin my production skills.
And before u judge the conditions of places and people that u have no ideia go research bout it u fuckin elitist...
its not our fault ur old family has wiped the whole world.
and zoopy plz if u have nothing to say than lick the balls of the heroes SHUT THE FUCK UP
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Vermeee
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Posted : Jun 15, 2009 23:45
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and bout the topic GREAT BLOG, keep it up, helpin those who d like to get envolved in the magical word of eletronic production but have no codition, so we can get new ideias and psytrance doesnt stay static on the damn Cheese on formula , or the new trenty the noisy incoherent dark.
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