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Psytrance in USA?
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kahn
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Posted : Apr 3, 2009 08:40
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Do you mean the SAME party, or different parties in different places at different times?
If you mean the same party; where would it take place? You would need a location central to EVERYBODY; which I guess gives us...
Kansas??? 
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Indiandawg
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Posted : Apr 3, 2009 08:53
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I have been listning to Psy from last 6 years now and I am well aware of many great artist and djs.
I have a question.. Why I don't see many international artist like astrix/azax syndrome/xenzodiak/bizzare contact/sirius isness/CPU/yab yum/neuromotor/penta/kinzazda etc etc
Everytime I see the line from psytribe.. it's totally new which is great for me cause i love listning to diff artist everytime.. they always got something new to deliver.
So what's the scene? do these djs and artist come to USA or it's all underground? |
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hardkornate
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Posted : Apr 3, 2009 09:06
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Khan, of course I mean the same party.
I may just have that centrally located venue, too. |
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bluespectralmonkey
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Posted : Apr 3, 2009 10:34
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kahn
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Posted : Apr 3, 2009 11:24
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On 2009-04-03 08:53, Indiandawg wrote:
I have been listning to Psy from last 6 years now and I am well aware of many great artist and djs.
I have a question.. Why I don't see many international artist like astrix/azax syndrome/xenzodiak/bizzare contact/sirius isness/CPU/yab yum/neuromotor/penta/kinzazda etc etc
Everytime I see the line from psytribe.. it's totally new which is great for me cause i love listning to diff artist everytime.. they always got something new to deliver.
So what's the scene? do these djs and artist come to USA or it's all underground?
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Lately parties here seem to be breaking this mold (has psytrance finally gotten more popular here???). However, we usually only get a limited number of these big international headliners. They do come here, but a lot less often than they play other countries around the world. I think our Psytrance scene is more underground. Fewer organizers have the money to pay for a big artist to travel here within the Psytrance scene. We get international people often, but they aren't always the most mainstream people either. This partially has to do with the fact that a good portion of our Psytrance scene prefers the non-mainstream sounding Psytrance.
Within other music scenes, you see lots of big house, (euro) trance, and tech headliners getting booked here. Heck, even Best Buy carries a lot of these artists in stock. But this is because those scenes are so big and well established here, that there are many organizers; including ones wealthy enough to book people from ANY corner of the world. With the exception of Infected Mushroom (if you ever or still call them "psy"), Christopher Lawrence, and John OO Fleming, you do not see Psytrance headliners receiving any recognition from most party goers and organizers. I've seen Astrix, X-Noize, and on a strange fluke Quadra getting booked occasionally at mini-massive style raves; not the top of the heard but the top of the underground scenes. But en mass, you really only see House and Trance headliners from Europe getting booked on main stages at massive festivals. These are some of the only parties that can afford to book BIG headliners and pay for their travel. Even the guys who throw the mini-massives are much more inclined to book House and Trance headliners simply because they know it will pull a crowd.
Lately Psytrance is picking up in popularity throughout the rave and club scenes though. I think we could be in a transition where Psytrance will start to become part of other electronic dance music scenes here as well. The "PSY" scene of course will remain, but the music might not be exclusive to those parties anymore. If this happens, then I'm sure we could very well start to see mainstream guys like those you named getting booked here all the time.
And on another note, we have lots of very talented artists here in the USA. If these artists start to get attention elsewhere, and getting booked internationally themselves; their popularity is only going to filter back to them here and cause and uprise in that music style. Case to point, as Psytrance producers we have the power to bring psytrance out into the forefront of electronic music here in the United States by becoming well known overseas.
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On 2009-04-03 09:06, hardkornate wrote:
Khan, of course I mean the same party.
I may just have that centrally located venue, too.
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Sounds GREAT! 
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MR VOMERS
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Posted : Apr 3, 2009 17:29
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haha we have tons of artists here in the USA that are absolutely incredible...under rated...NO BOOKING FEE's...play for travel...sleep in your guest bed type of folk...real down home style.
I prefer it that way.
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Apr 3, 2009 17:54
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IMO artists should get paid what they are worth, or at least close to it. I'm not saying that every booking should come with hookers and blow, hotels and fancy meals but artists can't make money from selling their music these days due to digital piracy (for the most part) so many of them rely on booking fees so they don't take a financial hit from having to take time from their day jobs to play somewhere for a weekend. Gear and time to practice and rehearse is expensive and if an artist can get at least some income from bookings, that's simply that much more time they are liberated from their wage slave jobs to build up their music and their scene. Of course it's easier said than done in these tough economic times. I agree with Cinder that I think it's awesome that US artists are this way because it's still unique to most of the rest of the world and keeps them true to their music, but at the same time a lot of these same fantastic, underrated US artists are selling/allowing themselves to be sold short. It actually forces most of them to rely even more on their day jobs to get by and continue their craft, which indirectly keeps their craft in the "hobby" stage when in actuality they have the talent to make it more central to their lives if they so choose (which also bolsters the greater scenes they are a part of). It also has a lot to do with why conversely you see relatively few of these same artists overseas, which is a shame because there really is a lot more world-class talent hidden away in the States that deserve to be represented more globally.
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Trancephonic_Kronik
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Posted : Apr 3, 2009 18:12
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screw the meals, i'd just take the hookers and blow.
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PsydTraxd
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Posted : Apr 3, 2009 18:36
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On 2009-04-03 17:29, cinderVOMIT wrote:
haha we have tons of artists here in the USA that are absolutely incredible...under rated...NO BOOKING FEE's...play for travel...sleep in your guest bed type of folk...real down home style.
I prefer it that way.
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Yes, I like it that way too. It's a little harder to get international artists out here cause a lot of them like to use Booking Agents, booking fees, and expenses and the like.
That is the cool thing about the Trance scene here in the States, because a lot of the artists do usually come for just a plane ticket cause they know they will be taking care of by the extremely close knit, family-orientated crews that throw the parties. A place to stay, food and all the other amenitites are ALWAYS taking care of.
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Apr 3, 2009 19:03
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On 2009-04-03 18:12, Trancephonic_Kronik wrote:
screw the meals, i'd just take the hookers and blow.
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lol
Yes, it is a very unique and great thing that the USA has, and every artist is entitled to ask for what they want (whether that request is actually reasonable or not is another story but again, most artists don't ask for/get what they are worth.) I never aksed for payment beyond transportation for any of my bookings in the US and have gladly played, as the mentality that whatever I get compensated with I can think of as a bonus, and also most of the promoters I've played for have been personal friends of mine. However, especially nowadays, it's a big deal to take four days off of work to play a party for free for a lot of artists. Also, international travel for internationally booked artists can be quite a headache, especially with [the risk of] gear in tow, visas, and all that. It's a lot to keep up with. Personally I shun booking agents because I prefer to develop a more personal "human" relationship with the people I play for... it increases intimacy and stimulates much more positive energy flow. However I just can't do that overseas. Overseas I have little legal means to draw income and feed myself. Thus booking fees become a necessity. On that note, the USA enjoys some of the lowest cost overhead (speaking of things such as land usage, transportation, water, sound, etc.) yet has some of the highest ticket prices compared to much of the world and US artists can consider themselves fortunate to get some gas money and a place to stay (even though at least the latter is almost always a given condition, one should still consider oneself fortunate as the situation itself is still a unique, colorful, amazing opportunity that shouldn't be taken for granted). However most countries and cultures consider the bed-and-breakfast style of room and board sharing to be a basic human courtesy to our fellow brothers and sisters, not a privilege. Bedouins are some of the poorest people in the world yet it is considered a grave sin not to offer these things to a traveler. Not to mention if that traveler is offering a needed/demanded service. Even giving a traveling artist an extra $100 beyond basic food and transport costs is saying a lot more than not, and $100 really is very little money nowadays. Yes money is evil but artists need to get by too. An artist who spends hours producing music then traveling thousands of miles to perform that music for an ecstatically dancing crowd shouldn't ever go home to an empty fridge and have to work twice as hard that week to make up for lost job hours. That isn't right. If that's what the artist decides upon, then nobody else can argue it but it shouldn't be the accepted standard or "GTFO".
I can't tell you how many parties I've been to where I've witnessed the same people who bitch about high ticket prices will spend more than the ticket price that weekend on drugs without a second thought, and do it regularly at that. How many situations like that can the rest of you recall?
On a side note... I am genuinely curious what kind of reaction it would draw for an artist to make a tip jar and set it out on the corner of the DJ booth while he's playing. Chances are it would be an overly negative one, but if the guy who makes your sandwich can do it, why not the guy who makes the music you dance to? |
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Scatter
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Posted : Apr 3, 2009 19:20
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I'm agreeing with pretty much everything you're saying Axis. Nice posts. |
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Trancephonic_Kronik
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Posted : Apr 3, 2009 20:20
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I totally agree Mundi. if there was a tip jar I would definitely throw something in it. would most likely be nugs but I doubt most artists would complain about that. I think the reason people bitch about prices is cause they are selfish. There are people who don't want the scene to grow so they can keep it for themselves and go for free but that's just not fair to artists and promoters. its like the whole internet music thing. i'm not gonna lie I download tons of free shit but I do agree that the internet fucked up everything for music, but if millions of people are gonna keep uploading shit then I might as well download some of it. Thank you peer guardian 
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Indiandawg
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Posted : Apr 4, 2009 10:54
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Basically from what I read.. USA needs some hardcore psytrance.
Guys no offense to mainstream but there is far more better music than mainstream in PSY which is being played worldwide, example Isreal/GOA(Goa Trance)/Russia(Dark)/Portugal(Full Power Morning)/Germany(Dark) etc.. but all this out of the mainstream box. I know there are lot of Dark artist staying in California and produces some quality PSY.
We need international artist all around the world so that our Djs can be more harder and better. Ofcourse it's not that they are the God of Djs but they do posses some talent of 10-15 years of PSYCHEDELIC TRANCE.
Again I have no issues with mainstream all am saying check International Dj's talent and you will know what am talking.
I'll name few artist
Xenzodiak//Yab Yum//Talamasca//XSI//Protoculture//Azax Syndrome//Abonimation//Vibe Tribe//Shift//Compressor//XP Voodoo//Kindzadza//Psycovsky//Ocelot//Penta//Psysex//Samadhi//Super Sam(Iran)//Karan Bhoj(India)
The list can go on but I hope you like the tracks.
You can check them out on myspace.
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Alakazam
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Posted : Apr 4, 2009 11:02
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On 2009-04-04 10:54, Indiandawg wrote:
Basically from what I read.. USA needs some hardcore psytrance.
Guys no offense to mainstream but there is far more better music than mainstream in PSY which is being played worldwide, example Isreal/GOA(Goa Trance)/Russia(Dark)/Portugal(Full Power Morning)/Germany(Dark) etc.. but all this out of the mainstream box. I know there are lot of Dark artist staying in California and produces some quality PSY.
We need international artist all around the world so that our Djs can be more harder and better. Ofcourse it's not that they are the God of Djs but they do posses some talent of 10-15 years of PSYCHEDELIC TRANCE.
Again I have no issues with mainstream all am saying check International Dj's talent and you will know what am talking.
I'll name few artist
Xenzodiak//Yab Yum//Talamasca//XSI//Protoculture//Azax Syndrome//Abonimation//Vibe Tribe//Shift//Compressor//XP Voodoo//Kindzadza//Psycovsky//Ocelot//Penta//Psysex//Samadhi//Super Sam(Iran)//Karan Bhoj(India)
The list can go on but I hope you like the tracks.
You can check them out on myspace.
Boom
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what are you trying to say?
you don't make much sense; and you contradict yourself.
are you knocking the US scene?
If so... GOOD!
Maybe we are a little too homely for you to identify with... |
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Indiandawg
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Posted : Apr 4, 2009 11:44
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lol im not doing anything.
Is it a crime to make people aware of what's going on around the world?
I'm ain't knocking any country out here, I like to make things better and not just leave them where they are and to make it better we have to deal with the facts and the fact is there are less International Djs in USA because of mainstream and I NAMED the artist who don't play mainstream so that may be people think that we need soemthing like what these artist play. THAT'S ALL !!!
Don't come out with such Bullshit again I am a peace lover and I don't like such non sense at all, if you wanna look at something in this world.. the best way to look is in a positive way, if you can't you just gotta listen.
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